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Old 01-04-2010, 05:39 AM
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Default Bert Sugar Top 10 Heavyweights

From his top 100 list he has the Heavyweights in this order.

1/. Joe Louis
2/. Muhammad Ali
3/. Jack Dempsey
4/. Jack Johnson
5/. Gene Tunney
6/. Rocky Marciano
7/. Ezzard Charles
8/. George Foreman
9/. Joe Frazier
10/. Evander Holyfield

Great list which i agree with... here is my take on it

1/. Louis -- longest reign + most title defences
2/. Ali -- 3 time champ who fought best oppostion
3/. Dempsey -- ferocious fighting machine
4/. Johnson -- ruled for a decade, brilliant defensive master
5/. Tunney -- 1st ever scientific style fighter & undefeated
6/. Marciano -- 49-0
7/. Charles -- brilliant boxer/fighter who could do it all
8/. Foreman -- Hardest puncher ever & oldest ever champ
9/. Frazier -- brilliant pressure fighter who won FOTC
10/. Holyfield -- 4 times champion
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:41 AM
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terrible list....Bert Sugar is only a journalist, he's about as credible as Brian Kenny.....Larry Holmes?? Lennox Lewis???....and Joe Louis ahead of Ali???? c'mon who are you kidding
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:06 AM
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terrible list....Bert Sugar is only a journalist, he's about as credible as Brian Kenny.....Larry Holmes?? Lennox Lewis???....and Joe Louis ahead of Ali???? c'mon who are you kidding
Bert has Larry Holmes at No11
no place for Lennox Lewis and rightly so..
Joe Louis ahead of Ali... a case can be made for it.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:22 AM
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Tunney at #5? He only had a few fights at heavyweight.
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Must be a newer list because as of the late 80s early 90s Sugar still had Jack Johnson ranked #1 and Ali didn't crack his top-5

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Old 01-04-2010, 09:35 AM
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No way Lennox Lewis is on the Top 10. By the time he fought a shot Tyson but fought 2 good matches with Holyfield, he ran out of good Heavyweight fighters.
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:28 AM
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Here's the 2 lists that Bert Sugar listed that I saw:

Sugar's top 10 heavyweights

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. Gene Tunney
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Ezzard Charles
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Larry Holmes
Source: "Ringside: The Ten Greatest Heavyweights," ESPN Classic


Bert Sugar, 1991

1.Jack Dempsey
2.Joe Louis
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Jack Johnson
5.Gene Tunney
6.Rocky Marciano
7.Joe Frazier
8.Larry Holmes
9.Sonny Liston
10.Mike Tyson

I am suppose to be with him this coming Sunday in New York at the Ring 8 Christmas Party at Russo's on the Bay.
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:31 AM
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Here's the 2 lists that Bert Sugar listed that I saw:

Sugar's top 10 heavyweights

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. Gene Tunney
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Ezzard Charles
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Larry Holmes
Source: "Ringside: The Ten Greatest Heavyweights," ESPN Classic


Bert Sugar, 1991

1.Jack Dempsey
2.Joe Louis
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Jack Johnson
5.Gene Tunney
6.Rocky Marciano
7.Joe Frazier
8.Larry Holmes
9.Sonny Liston
10.Mike Tyson

I am suppose to be with him this coming Sunday in New York at the Ring 8 Christmas Party at Russo's on the Bay.
Tell him we don't give a ****e about his lists.....he aint a historian, he is a journalist
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:44 AM
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Tell him we don't give a ****e about his lists.....he aint a historian, he is a journalist
Well, I knew Bert for many years and we had some long talks. Most knowledgeable boxing people would disagree with you. I know he gets carried away telling all his stories and at times makes some mistakes BUT you have to remember, most of the time he is doing this off the chuff.

By the way, what is your top 10. Honestly, I have seen most of the top boxing Historians top 10 lists and no one lists them in the same order.
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Berts list....

1/. Joe Louis
2/. Muhammad Ali
3/. Jack Dempsey
4/. Jack Johnson
5/. Gene Tunney
6/. Rocky Marciano
7/. Ezzard Charles
8/. George Foreman
9/. Joe Frazier
10/. Evander Holyfield

My list...


12. frazier
11. Dempsey
10. Marciano
9. Holyfield
8. Liston
7. Tyson
6. Foreman
5. Lewis
4. Johnson
3. Holmes
2. Ali
1. Louis
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