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Old 12-31-2009, 03:24 PM
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You could say there's some jealousy in Floyd's case but it's not unusual for a rival of another sports star to express suspicions of steroid use. Carl Lewis publicly called Ben Johnson out for years on being a drug cheat until Johnson was eventually caught. Coincidentally, it was the Olympic style testing that got him.

I can understand Manny's complaint that he feels like he's being singled out but that's the price you pay for being in the boxing limelight. Let's not forget Floyd will have to take all the same drug tests too.
Carl Lewis was smart and had reasons of suspicion. Probably because Ben Johnson came from running rubbish times to really great times.
Pac was a champ really from the outset, and has improved under the best trainer in the world and isnt starving himself. And to top it off, has passed all drug tests requested of him.
So your comparison has flaws im afraid. Ben Johnson could have sued, but he knew he was guilty so didnt. If Pac knew he was guilty i dont think hed sue as well.
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Old 12-31-2009, 03:29 PM
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I'm assuming you mean "pedophile." If a nursery teacher was being suspected of pedophilia, it would not be because they are unusually popular with the little ones but it would be because the children showed other signs of fear, sadness and anger among other things. This is not a very good analogy if you ask me. .
Lets put it another way. Nursery teachers dont need severe tests everyday of their working lives to prove they arent pedos do they? I think as long as they havent got previous convictions of child tampering they should be ok and trusted. So why isnt Pac not having failed any tests enough for floyd and his *****s?

It would be easy to doubt the honourablity of people who work with children wouldnt it? But they arent subjected to being wired up, with graphic scenes of child **** displayed to test them are they?
That would be too severe woulndt it be? So is subjecting Pac to the highest tests when just because floyd wants him to.

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Old 01-01-2010, 07:14 AM
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Parents of children dont request teachers to be wired up to monitors and shown depraved images everyday do they to test the honourabilty of the teachers in question do they? CHildrens lives are every bit as important as PBF life, who he claims he puts it on the line when he fights.

But this is the sport PBF chose to take. Formula one racers dont ask for slower cars do they? They know what they are letting themselves in for. There are dangers to every sport.

PBF didnt volunteer himself for olympic testing before battering Corrales and Gatti nearly half to death did he? But he wants double protection for himself always.
Surely anyone can see this wrong standards of behaviour!!!

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Pac takes on all comers, while PBF sits on the sidelines making accusations, while Pac puts his life on the line.
Floyd puts his life on the line as well as all fighters that step into the ring. Its not all about Pac even though thats all you think about. Putting your life on the line is no joke. If Floyd suspects Manny of taking steroids (whether he has proof or not) its his right to ask for the proper testing to ensure the fight is fare and square. It was Pacs choice not to take the tests, thats why his entire career is in question now, except for the delusional Pac fans that are incapable of seeing both sides clearly. Thats why this has turned into a debate for days, weeks, eventually months.
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:46 AM
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Floyd puts his life on the line as well as all fighters that step into the ring. Its not all about Pac even though thats all you think about. Putting your life on the line is no joke. If Floyd suspects Manny of taking steroids (whether he has proof or not) its his right to ask for the proper testing to ensure the fight is fare and square. It was Pacs choice not to take the tests, thats why his entire career is in question now, except for the delusional Pac fans that are incapable of seeing both sides clearly. Thats why this has turned into a debate for days, weeks, eventually months.
You are just a hater man, at first we all thought that it's gonna take them awhile before they settle the purse split, both are superstars that deserves more, but they agreed to a 50/50, a miracle just happened. Then when we all thought that it's gonna be a breeze in the negotiation from there on, floyd made the first move and offered a 10oz globe and a 154lbs weight limit. Manny said no, then they settled at 147lbs with 8oz globes, but manny offered a 10mil penalty per pound just in case floyd went over the limit again just like the marquez fight. And then floyd insisted that manny take an olympic style drug test, manny complied but team pac requested in the negotiation papers that they only do 3 blood test but with unlimited urine test, thus what we now know as the first test at the beginning of pre-fight, then 2nd atleast 30days prior to the fight, and then 1 more immediately right after the fight. These details were leaked to the press by the mayweathers and they were outraged at team pac for giving limits to a random test!!! Hello!! You are in a middle of negotiation, why will you do such a thing, if floyd truelly wants this fight to happen they should have made a counter offer, as simple as that!!! And now because of that, some fans are starting to think that maybe manny's into something, these are malicious insinuation being made in public by team mayweather and forcing manny to defend himself in legal court. I can't blame manny for doing that, but still, because manny knows the worth of this potential super-duperfight, he just recently accepted and complied with the NSAC to submit himself to a random drug test, manny is willing to adhere to their every rules just as long as the NSAC who's doing it just to save the fight.. But lo and behold, right after knowing about this recent news, roger mayweather made a statement that the NSAC are using fake doctors and that the NSAC doesn't know how to do about testing blood for drug use!! What the F****k is that?!!! Don't the mayweathers wants this fight to be done!!! Manny is already bending backwards for them, what more do they want?!! To me they are just a bunch of *******!!!!
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Old 01-01-2010, 10:18 AM
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Every boxer puts there life on the line, not just Pac, arent you also Bruce lees biggest fan? How many times did he put his life on the line?
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Old 01-01-2010, 10:31 AM
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Carl Lewis was smart and had reasons of suspicion. Probably because Ben Johnson came from running rubbish times to really great times.
Pac was a champ really from the outset, and has improved under the best trainer in the world and isnt starving himself. And to top it off, has passed all drug tests requested of him.
So your comparison has flaws im afraid. Ben Johnson could have sued, but he knew he was guilty so didnt. If Pac knew he was guilty i dont think hed sue as well.
You think struggle with 135 lb fighters then in 18 mths KO Cotto Hatton and Oscar is no like Carl Lewis see Ben Johnson improvement , I tell you secret if Manny was racehorse he be blood tested by stewards 100% , in sport official peoples see big improvement as suspicious , no need see needle in arm for suspicion just big improve wins in short time , Manny comply with valid reason to suspect , was up to Manny to clear , he refuse and walk away , this act very big suspicion .
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Old 01-01-2010, 10:39 AM
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You think struggle with 135 lb fighters then in 18 mths KO Cotto Hatton and Oscar is no like Carl Lewis see Ben Johnson improvement , I tell you secret if Manny was racehorse he be blood tested by stewards 100% , in sport official peoples see big improvement as suspicious , no need see needle in arm for suspicion just big improve wins in short time , Manny comply with valid reason to suspect , was up to Manny to clear , he refuse and walk away , this act very big suspicion .
This argument every time

Pac is weight drained at that time, the way your saying dela hoya weight drained against Pac.

you just don't like to accept reason go on with argument no matter how it is explained to you.
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Carl Lewis was smart and had reasons of suspicion. Probably because Ben Johnson came from running rubbish times to really great times.
Pac was a champ really from the outset, and has improved under the best trainer in the world and isnt starving himself. And to top it off, has passed all drug tests requested of him.
So your comparison has flaws im afraid. Ben Johnson could have sued, but he knew he was guilty so didnt. If Pac knew he was guilty i dont think hed sue as well.
So what you're saying is, all Johnson had to do was threaten Lewis with a lawsuit? Johnson had used steroids since the early 80's but was passing every test until the 1988 Olympics. Shane Mosley passed his tests too until he was eventually caught. People have ways of getting around the system and probably always will. Pacquiao was always a good fighter but the suspicion stems from his unusual ability to move up in weight classes without losing any speed and physically dominating bigger men without changing his style. This has all happened within relatively short period of time. Maybe Manny is just a freak of nature with God given talent and ability. If that's the case then he should have no issues with Mayweather's testing demands.
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