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What social scheme is that?

Cancer was very rare until the last 50 or so years when man made chemicals began showing up in every day foods.

These ingredients (too many to list) all caused cancer in lab animals and were introduced into the food supply anyway.

The companies who created them were almost always pharmaceutical or big agricultural (like Monsanto)....

So its no surprise that 50 years after, the cancer rate has grown exponentially.

Chris Rock does a great bit on the money being in the disease and not the cure. Even a comedian gets it.
is it possible that cancer was always there, we just couldnt detect it?

and of course the "chemicals" were "introduced" by pharmaceutical or big ag, both of which specialize in chemistry...

i would expect virtually everything biochemical to be discovered by companies who market or produce things that are both chemical and digested...

those damn farmers...

and bastards who make blood pressure medication etc...
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Unfortunately, most of us will have forgotten about this article in a few weeks
again, this isnt as relevant as many believe...

all we need is to stop the mutation of tumor suppressor genes, esp p53
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is it possible that cancer was always there, we just couldnt detect it?

and of course the "chemicals" were "introduced" by pharmaceutical or big ag, both of which specialize in chemistry...

i would expect virtually everything biochemical to be discovered by companies who market or produce things that are both chemical and digested...

those damn farmers...

and bastards who make blood pressure medication etc...
Farmers and big agra and big pharma aren't the same people.

There's no need to introduce all these things into the food supply. Good ole' farming worked pretty damn well before it got injected w/ gmo, and chemicals.

The reason for it is simple. Create a new market of sick and dying people, who get sick much earlier in life and have the "perfect" drug for them to STABILIZE their symptoms, but NOT CURE IT.

See how the wonderful "free market capitalist system" works?

Anything for a cheap buck. Even if it means contaminating the ecosystem and poisoning people.

Whatever it takes man. The market has spoken.
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Farmers and big agra and big pharma aren't the same people.

There's no need to introduce all these things into the food supply. Good ole' farming worked pretty damn well before it got injected w/ gmo, and chemicals.

The reason for it is simple. Create a new market of sick and dying people, who get sick much earlier in life and have the "perfect" drug for them to STABILIZE their symptoms, but NOT CURE IT.

See how the wonderful "free market capitalist system" works?

Anything for a cheap buck. Even if it means contaminating the ecosystem and poisoning people.

Whatever it takes man. The market has spoken.
as usual, you confuse corporationism with capitalism... but im used to it

and you've yet to address the likely fact that cancer was always around, just not "discovered"

and no, food WASNT fine w/o certain chemicals called preservatives, people were dying regularly from eating spoiled and or rotten food...

and if it were that easy and they had perfected "stabilizing" it so well, then why do some people still die from it? they'd make so much more money if they could keep them alive even longer...

why do they perform surgery to remove tumors when there should be more money in leaving them there to metastasize and spread which would require more treatment for a longer period of time??

but you'll see what you want
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as usual, you confuse corporationism with capitalism... but im used to it

and you've yet to address the likely fact that cancer was always around, just not "discovered"
That doesn't make sense. How do you discover something that didn't exist.
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and no, food WASNT fine w/o certain chemicals called preservatives, people were dying regularly from eating spoiled and or rotten food...
I grew up on a farm in when I was younger in Romania and Ecuador. Farmers know what their doing. They've been doing it for years. We never ate spoiled or rotten food. It was actually all really good. People are smart enough not to eat spoiled or rotten food.
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and if it were that easy and they had perfected "stabilizing" it so well, then why do some people still die from it? they'd make so much more money if they could keep them alive even longer...
They die because people die. Drugs aren't meant to cure people. I thought this was obvious to everyone. They're just meant to keep you alive as long as possible and sick at the same time.

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why do they perform surgery to remove tumors when there should be more money in leaving them there to metastasize and spread which would require more treatment for a longer period of time??

but you'll see what you want
It depends on your class position. If you're wealthy and can afford good care, you'll be taken care of quicker. If you're not and can't, they'll most likely find reasons to keep you waiting.
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That doesn't make sense. How do you discover something that didn't exist.
hence, the "" around it... in other words, its like saying, well the earth WAS flat until someone proved it was round, it wasnt round until we found out.... just because cancer wasnt seen prevalent until X years ago, in no way shape or form means it wasnt actually prevalent Y years ago.... but you know that, you just tried to dodge it

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I grew up on a farm in when I was younger in Romania and Ecuador. Farmers know what their doing. They've been doing it for years. We never ate spoiled or rotten food. It was actually all really good. People are smart enough not to eat spoiled or rotten food.
its not about "farmers know what they're doing" its about increasing the life of food so that it can be stored better and can be shipped farther to feed more


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They die because people die. Drugs aren't meant to cure people. I thought this was obvious to everyone. They're just meant to keep you alive as long as possible and sick at the same time.
but by your theory, we should be able to simply treat them forever... they arent dying of old age, they're dying from cancer, a cancer that you say we invented and can treat effectively... yet all that lost revenue from those cancer deaths? better yet, why didnt we just create a cure that only cures you for a year and then you have to buy it again... that will really make some money wont it!!!


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It depends on your class position. If you're wealthy and can afford good care, you'll be taken care of quicker. If you're not and can't, they'll most likely find reasons to keep you waiting.
this statement is highly inaccurate in today's age, at least here in the US
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hence, the "" around it... in other words, its like saying, well the earth WAS flat until someone proved it was round, it wasnt round until we found out.... just because cancer wasnt seen prevalent until X years ago, in no way shape or form means it wasnt actually prevalent Y years ago.... but you know that, you just tried to dodge it
Its easy. People weren't dying from cancer back then.

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its not about "farmers know what they're doing" its about increasing the life of food so that it can be stored better and can be shipped farther to feed more
You're right. Lets keep radiating food.


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but by your theory, we should be able to simply treat them forever... they arent dying of old age, they're dying from cancer, a cancer that you say we invented and can treat effectively... yet all that lost revenue from those cancer deaths? better yet, why didnt we just create a cure that only cures you for a year and then you have to buy it again... that will really make some money wont it!!!
They already do that with medication. And now they're doing it with seeds as well. Seeds you only plant once, then you gotta go buy new ones for the next season.

All for a cheap buck.
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this statement is highly inaccurate in today's age, at least here in the US
No its not. Most people don't even have insurance. And even the ones that do, have to go through tons of red tape to get the care they need.

Its all about the money.

Free markets baby.
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Its easy. People weren't dying from cancer back then.


denial is that easy i guess



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You're right. Lets keep radiating food.
a)irradiated food is no less safe than the alternative
b)at least in our semi free market you have the choice to buy or not to buy...

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/food.htm




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They already do that with medication. And now they're doing it with seeds as well. Seeds you only plant once, then you gotta go buy new ones for the next season.

All for a cheap buck.


and if it were that simple, why doesnt someone come out with seeds good for 2 years and sell that at 1.5 the price with that as their advertising... they'd steal all the business
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No its not. Most people don't even have insurance. And even the ones that do, have to go through tons of red tape to get the care they need.

Its all about the money.

Free markets baby.


oh they do, do they?? in my field, i have first hand knowledge of the poor getting BETTER and NEWER meds than those in higher classes

the poor are taken care of financially to a much higher standard than the "non poor"

medicaid has the highest reimbursments

and keep calling corporationism "free markets" but i warn you, it shows great ignorance
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