Should Pac-Mayweather be for a lineal title?

[prometheuslord]

the ideal situation would have been if mayweather took on mosley for his first fight after his retirement, like sugar ray leonard took on hagler for the middleweight belt...

then this fight would have been for the WBA, WBO, ring magazine and P4P belts. oh well

[jrosales13]

Originally Posted by prometheuslord

the ideal situation would have been if mayweather took on mosley for his first fight after his retirement, like sugar ray leonard took on hagler for the middleweight belt...

then this fight would have been for the WBA, WBO, ring magazine and P4P belts. oh well

Exactly that was the ideal situation.

[arraamis]

Originally Posted by jrosales13

No Floyd is not the lineal champion. He gave it up when he retired.

According to the rules ... Floyd is still the Lineal Champ.

He cannot lose it during a temporary retirement ..... He still must lose it in the ring.

"Another boxer can only win the lineal championship by defeating the reigning lineal champion in the ring. The lineal champion is described as "the man who beat the man".[1][2]"

"An issue in the implementation of a "lineal championship" is what to do if the lineal champion retires, dies, or moves to a different weight class. Different ways of resolving this vacancy mean the "lineal championship" may itself be subject to dispute. In the NBA/NYSAC era, a title vacancy was generally filled by having a box-off between 2, 4, or even more top-ranked contenders. Since the modern lineal championship is merely a notional title tracked by fans, there is no money or organization to arrange such box-offs, and there may not be consensus on who the top contenders are.[2]"

References:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineal_championship

[Prince Vegeta]

That wouldn't be fair to Mosley.

[jrosales13]

Originally Posted by arraamis

According to the rules ... Floyd is still the Lineal Champ.

He cannot lose it during a temporary retirement ..... He still must lose it in the ring.

"Another boxer can only win the lineal championship by defeating the reigning lineal champion in the ring. The lineal champion is described as "the man who beat the man".[1][2]"

"An issue in the implementation of a "lineal championship" is what to do if the lineal champion retires, dies, or moves to a different weight class. Different ways of resolving this vacancy mean the "lineal championship" may itself be subject to dispute. In the NBA/NYSAC era, a title vacancy was generally filled by having a box-off between 2, 4, or even more top-ranked contenders. Since the modern lineal championship is merely a notional title tracked by fans, there is no money or organization to arrange such box-offs, and there may not be consensus on who the top contenders are.[2]"

References:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineal_championship

What is the limit of the temporary retirement?

[prometheuslord]

mayweather lost his lineal title when he announced his retirement. we all know he's unbeaten and he's the man who beat the man (which is part of why this fight is so intriguing), but you can't retire for a while, give everyone else a chance to fight each other, maybe crown a new champion here and there, and come back and say you're still on top... it's just not how it happens.

that's why leonard fought hagler for a middleweight belt when he came back (he won). same with ali going through the motions of challenging frazier again after his 3 year retirement (he lost the first). you gotta prove you still got it by facing the best in the division.

[arraamis]

Originally Posted by jrosales13

What is the limit of the temporary retirement?

There are no stated limitations ........... Bizaar, but true.

Originally Posted by prometheuslord

mayweather lost his lineal title when he announced his retirement. we all know he's unbeaten and he's the man who beat the man (which is part of why this fight is so intriguing), but you can't retire for a while, give everyone else a chance to fight each other, maybe crown a new champion here and there, and come back and say you're still on top... it's just not how it happens.

that's why leonard fought hagler for a middleweight belt when he came back (he won). same with ali going through the motions of challenging frazier again after his 3 year retirement (he lost the first). you gotta prove you still got it by facing the best in the division.

As stated, he cannot lose it in principle ... he has to lose it in the ring.

And I do agree with you 100% that Lineal Champions shouldn't be allowed to retire like its a vacation .... because it really screws everything up.

Boxing is a sport that revolves around the Top-Guy and when that is in question - you have people like Mosley {For lack of a better example} running and yelling to all who will listen that "HE IS THE TOP-DOG" when in reality he isn't ...... it is still Floyd.

[prometheuslord]

i think mosley and mayweather both have a symbolic claim to being the man... mosley beat margarito, who beat cotto, while mayweather retired for reasons unknown and decided to come back, and is still unbeaten. manny actually has the least claim, banking on the possibility that margo cheated when he beat cotto, which isn't conclusively proven, and we don't know if he'd have beaten cotto anyway if he hadn't cheated. manny's ranked #1 by the ring magazine mostly because of the quality of his wins, not because he proved it through some rules.

that's why i think the winner of manny-floyd should fight mosley if mosley gets past berto... but if berto pulls out a victory, that fight becomes irrelevant, and pac-mayweather will be for all the marbles.

[jrosales13]

Originally Posted by arraamis

There are no stated limitations ........... Bizaar, but true.



As stated, he cannot lose it in principle ... he has to lose it in the ring.

And I do agree with you 100% that Lineal Champions shouldn't be allowed to retire like its a vacation .... because it really screws everything up.

Boxing is a sport that revolves around the Top-Guy and when that is in question - you have people like Mosley {For lack of a better example} running and yelling to all who will listen that "HE IS THE TOP-DOG" when in reality he isn't ...... it is still Floyd.

That can't be true bro... That means Lennox Lewis can still come out of retirement and claim the lineal title? Ricardo Lopez? That just makes no sense. When you retire you are the lineal champ.

[Iceta]

Originally Posted by mangler

Yep.

Pac is #1 and Mr boat buyer is #3.

Unless rankings change due to SSM-Berto it's for the lineal title.

It would be a hard sell for Pacquiao-Floyd being for the lineal title though if Mosley unifies with Berto. That should definitely rank him back over Pacquiao. If it doesn't, then the Ring is corrupt.