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Old 12-11-2009, 02:32 AM #1
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Default Should Pac-Mayweather be for a lineal title?

Hi everyone, this is my first thread on Boxingscene.

Question about the upcoming Pac-Mayweather fight: should it be for the Ring Magazine lineal welterweight belt?

Aside from the championships in 7 weight divisions, Manny is the first fighter in history to have 4 lineal titles (flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight, super lightweight). right now the bible of boxing, the Ring Magazine, has the welterweight division title vacant, but Manny is ranked the #1, Shane Mosley is #2 and Floyd Mayweather is #3.

in most cases, the Ring Magazine only gives vacant spots to the winner of a battle between the #1 and the #2 (like when Manny beat Marquez for the 130lb lineal title), with a couple of exceptions allowing the #1 vs #3 when the #1 and #2 will never fight each other (like heavyweights Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko... Wlad beat the #3 Ruslan Chagaev to win the lineal heavyweight belt this year).

So should Pac vs Mayweather be for the lineal title, although it's between the #1 and the #3? Mayweather used to own the lineal belt before his retirement. Maybe the Ring Magazine could make an exception?

Just a thought, if Shane mosley loses to Andre Berto in January, chances are Berto won't take the #2 spot because I don't think his resume is as good as mayweather's overall even with a mosley win. Mayweather would probably move up to #2 and Berto would shift to #3. That would make Pacquiao-Mayweather an automatic fight for the lineal title.

Imagine if Pac-Mayweather is for the WBO, Ring Magazine welterweight and Ring Magazine P4P titles... it would be historically MASSIVE.

Thoughts?
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If Mosley loses to Berto, Pac vs PBF would be for the ww Ring Magazine & Lineal Title.

However, Mosley was complaining after he beat Marg because there was a precedent in the middleweight div, (i think) where the #1 and #3 clashed for the Ring Title.

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Old 12-11-2009, 02:36 AM #3
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Hi everyone, this is my first thread on Boxingscene.

Question about the upcoming Pac-Mayweather fight: should it be for the Ring Magazine lineal welterweight belt?

Aside from the championships in 7 weight divisions, Manny is the first fighter in history to have 4 lineal titles (flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight, super lightweight). right now the bible of boxing, the Ring Magazine, has the welterweight division title vacant, but Manny is ranked the #1, Shane Mosley is #2 and Floyd Mayweather is #3.

in most cases, the Ring Magazine only gives vacant spots to the winner of a battle between the #1 and the #2 (like when Manny beat Marquez for the 130lb lineal title), with a couple of exceptions allowing the #1 vs #3 when the #1 and #2 will never fight each other (like heavyweights Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko... Wlad beat the #3 Ruslan Chagaev to win the lineal heavyweight belt this year).

So should Pac vs Mayweather be for the lineal title, although it's between the #1 and the #3? Mayweather used to own the lineal belt before his retirement. Maybe the Ring Magazine could make an exception?

Just a thought, if Shane mosley loses to Andre Berto in January, chances are Berto won't take the #2 spot because I don't think his resume is as good as mayweather's overall even with a mosley win. Mayweather would probably move up to #2 and Berto would shift to #3. That would make Pacquiao-Mayweather an automatic fight for the lineal title.

Imagine if Pac-Mayweather is for the WBO, Ring Magazine welterweight and Ring Magazine P4P titles... it would be historically MASSIVE.

Thoughts?
I think we have to wait what happens with Mosley-Berto first before answering that question.
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Hi everyone, this is my first thread on Boxingscene.

Question about the upcoming Pac-Mayweather fight: should it be for the Ring Magazine lineal welterweight belt?

Aside from the championships in 7 weight divisions, Manny is the first fighter in history to have 4 lineal titles (flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight, super lightweight). right now the bible of boxing, the Ring Magazine, has the welterweight division title vacant, but Manny is ranked the #1, Shane Mosley is #2 and Floyd Mayweather is #3.

in most cases, the Ring Magazine only gives vacant spots to the winner of a battle between the #1 and the #2 (like when Manny beat Marquez for the 130lb lineal title), with a couple of exceptions allowing the #1 vs #3 when the #1 and #2 will never fight each other (like heavyweights Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko... Wlad beat the #3 Ruslan Chagaev to win the lineal heavyweight belt this year).

So should Pac vs Mayweather be for the lineal title, although it's between the #1 and the #3? Mayweather used to own the lineal belt before his retirement. Maybe the Ring Magazine could make an exception?

Just a thought, if Shane mosley loses to Andre Berto in January, chances are Berto won't take the #2 spot because I don't think his resume is as good as mayweather's overall even with a mosley win. Mayweather would probably move up to #2 and Berto would shift to #3. That would make Pacquiao-Mayweather an automatic fight for the lineal title.

Imagine if Pac-Mayweather is for the WBO, Ring Magazine welterweight and Ring Magazine P4P titles... it would be historically MASSIVE.

Thoughts?
You make good points...but they cant bend the rules for this fight...it would not look good.
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lineal title?..didnt Cotto win his WBO title that Paul Williams vacated in a vacant bout vs Jennings?
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The last REAL Lineal WW Champion was Mayweather.
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lineal title?..didnt Cotto win his WBO title that Paul Williams vacated in a vacant bout vs Jennings?
Well the WBO title dont mean nothing as part as lineal goes. The top 2 ranked fighters can fight for the vacant lineal title. And, if Berto edges Mosley. Then you probably would see Floyd take the #2 spot. Which would make that fight for the lineal belt. But, if Mosley dominates Berto. Then you might see him switch spots with Pac. And, that would mean Floyd-Pac fight would not be for the lineal title.
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Mayweather was and Is the lineal WW champion. when IBF champ Vernon Forrest beat WBC champ Shane Mosley then -> WBA/WBC champ Mayorga -> IBF/WBC/WBA Spinks -> Judah -> Baldomir -> Mayweather. you have to beat the man to be the man. like it or not FMJ is still the man at WW

The Ring belt is a different mater.
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Mayweather was and Is the lineal WW champion. when IBF champ Vernon Forrest beat WBC champ Shane Mosley then -> WBA/WBC champ Mayorga -> IBF/WBC/WBA Spinks -> Judah -> Baldomir -> Mayweather. you have to beat the man to be the man. like it or not FMJ is still the man at WW

The Ring belt is a different mater.
No Floyd is not the lineal champion. He gave it up when he retired.
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