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Old 11-22-2009, 08:53 AM
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:18 AM
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oh a christian website yeah right....
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I did a quick search. It seems that the sources are all moonbat paranoia sites like infowars and prisonplanet.

And believe it or not they've declared it a conspiracy. If it isn't an escaped bioweapon it's a deliberate attack being spread by droplets from planes. And the WHO is in on it and is pretending it's H1N1 because they don't want to cause alarm. The WHO is alright causing alarm with avian flu, swine flu and SARS but draw the line at something which apparently turns all your organs into mush.

I'm more afraid of African rabies.

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Old 11-22-2009, 12:43 PM
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A flu pandemic in Ukraine that has triggered a nationwide panic is worsening this weekend with up to 400 deaths already reported.

The arrival of the virus, suspected by the World Health Organisation to be swine flu but possibly a combination of the H1N1 strain and a respiratory illness, has paralysed the country's fragile health system and could even lead to the postponement of the general election which is scheduled for 17 January.

Seven people died and 35,000 new cases were reported on Friday, said the health minister, bringing the total number of people infected to 1.6 million out of a population of 46 million.

The onslaught of the virus has seen all the major political figures eagerly exploiting the outbreak. Prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko announced the arrival of an epidemic on 30 October, when only one case had been reported, and has closed all schools and banned public gatherings ***8211; including campaigning political rallies ***8211; for the past three weeks.

Her standing in the polls has shot up after frequent TV appearances, urging people to take care and criticising her political foes for inaction. Tymoshenko even went to the airport to greet a shipment of Tamiflu, prompting the president to send one of his own representatives. President Viktor Yanukovych, who is still the electoral front runner but facing an ever narrowing gap with Tymoshenko, has been trying to match her by pledging to spend his campaign funds on medical supplies and 20 million face masks.

"This is very dangerous,' said Igor Shkrobanets, chief of the health ministry in the western district of Chernivtsi. "One or another politician will gain from this situation, but the doctors and their patients certainly will not."

He said the level of fear was such that people were calling out ambulances when they felt the first touch of a fever and hospitals were "overloaded".

In such uneasy times, bloggers and conspiracy theorists have whipped up fears by suggesting that bubonic plague, or a new, more lethal strain of the flu, was sweeping Ukraine and that there was a massive cover-up of the numbers of deaths.

"We are seeing reports of bodies lying in the streets," said one. Others claim to have seen reports of doctors mystified by the state of a patient's lungs after death. But with no authoritative medical analysis of the cases available, such amateur diagnosis has run riot.

The isolation of many Ukrainian towns, especially as winter closes in, combined with the lack of public trust in the weak government and the inexperience of many of the new, 24-hour media outlets, was fuelling the rumour-mongering and the scare stories, said one of the staff at the English-language Kyiv Post.

Semon Gluzman, a psychiatrist in the capital, Kiev, told the Washington Post: "What we're seeing is a normal psychological reaction to the complete incompetence of the state authorities. People are scared and they don't know who to trust any more."

The scare has also led to people hoarding surgical masks and flu remedies, which are now almost impossible to find. Even lemons and garlic, homemade cures for flu, are in short supply.

On Thursday the country received humanitarian aid from 13 nations, the WHO and two Ukrainian charities, and is in talks with six more countries about help with the outbreak. Swine flu pandemics are also being reported in Belarus, Moldova, Poland and Hungary.
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:53 PM
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The Guardian, while a dubious source at the best of times, falls short of making the claims of secret bioweapons or new diseases or government conspiracies. It does mention that some people have clamed that doctors are "mystified" but these are "friend of a friend" type reports. Relatively poor living conditions and nutrition have probably resulted in an explosion of flu deaths, possibly this is the mutation of H1N1 that was feared, but there's very little word of actual symptoms from actual medical practitioners and what word there is points to influenza.

The problem facing the moonbats is that they've expended so much energy in libelling vaccine manufacturers and trying to stop people from protecting themselves from infection that they simply can't at this stage say "Oh ****... we were wrong".
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The Guardian, while a dubious source at the best of times, falls short of making the claims of secret bioweapons or new diseases or government conspiracies. It does mention that some people have clamed that doctors are "mystified" but these are "friend of a friend" type reports. Relatively poor living conditions and nutrition have probably resulted in an explosion of flu deaths, possibly this is the mutation of H1N1 that was feared, but there's very little word of actual symptoms from actual medical practitioners and what word there is points to influenza.

The problem facing the moonbats is that they've expended so much energy in libelling vaccine manufacturers and trying to stop people from protecting themselves from infection that they simply can't at this stage say "Oh ****... we were wrong".
That was just the top report on google news. I couldn't be bothered to actually dig through the multitude of reports on the topic.
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:08 PM
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I noticed a name cropping up a lot in the moonbat articles, and that name is Victor Bachinsky. He's a busy guy. He's apparently a professor, a medical doctor, a PhD scientist, a staff writer for infowars Ireland, the head of the Ukraines ministry of health, a coroner and a forensic pathologist. When does he have time to sleep?
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There's a lot of bizarre reports actually. People saying that it is "pneumonic plague" are also saying that anti-biotics should be avoided. But plague, both bubonic and pneumonic are bacterial diseases, antibiotics are the best weapon against it. Of course it's the moonbats who are saying it is plague. Because they can't say it's the flu and admit they were wrong. And the moonbats are also saying not to use anti-biotics, because they say anti-biotics weaken your immune system. Not true.

Prolonged and widespread use of anti-biotics result in the emergence (through evolution) of anti-biotic resistant bacterial strains and can also serve to weaken the immune systems of populations as lack of widespread contact with pathogens (the pathogens are all killed by the anti-biootics!) leads to the immune system atrophying through lack of use. But contracting an acute and potentially fatal bacterial infection is precisely the time to be using anti-biotics. It's no good having a strong immune system if you're already dead.
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There's a lot of bizarre reports actually. People saying that it is "pneumonic plague" are also saying that anti-biotics should be avoided. But plague, both bubonic and pneumonic are bacterial diseases, antibiotics are the best weapon against it. Of course it's the moonbats who are saying it is plague. Because they can't say it's the flu and admit they were wrong. And the moonbats are also saying not to use anti-biotics, because they say anti-biotics weaken your immune system. Not true.

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Yeah it's quite startling, the extent to which basic science is misinterpreted in such ways. I guess if you're too stupid to understand basic concepts of biology you probably shouldn't be commenting on it.
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It's simply bizarre to suggest that combatting serious acute infections with anti-biotics is a bad thing.

Vaccinations and anti-biotics have saved perhaps more lives than any other invention, with the possible invention of artificial fertilizer.
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