The Classic Stance - Boxing Forum
  Trending Topics  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History
Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 04-16-2016, 10:39 PM
The Old LefHook
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,216
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4 The Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,354.35
Bank: 8,658,023,536,035.82
Total Points: 8,658,023,537,390.17
Default The Classic Stance

Let's talk about the classic stance. I think of its opposite as the squared up stance.
Reply With Quote
The Old LefHook is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 04-17-2016, 05:22 AM
The Old LefHook
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,216
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4 The Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,354.35
Bank: 8,658,023,536,035.82
Total Points: 8,658,023,537,390.17
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Old LefHook View Post
Let's talk about the classic stance. I think of its opposite as the squared up stance.
No one even has an idea what it might be?

Chin tucked behind left shoulder.

Foot positions, anyone?
Reply With Quote
The Old LefHook is offline
#3
Old 04-17-2016, 08:05 AM
Tom Cruise
Co.cktail
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Reading UK
Age: 25
Posts: 8,183
Quoted: 735 Post(s)
Rep Power: 47 Tom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,937,501,217,231,858.00
Bank: 162,461,075,895,151.47
Total Points: 3,099,962,293,127,009.50
thanks for the green! - jose830 enjoy the beer and the boobies :beerchug: - jose830 Thanks for the green...eat a healthy burger :D - jose830 No Message - -jose- Team Sutherland FTW - Mike D 
No Message - -jose- Happy New Year bro - HughJass 5000 post you get a hot dog congrats! - -jose- No Message - -jose- 'Obi Juan' :lol1: - -jose- 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - HUGH JASS 
Default

Joe Louis



Side on to protect centre line.

Head dipped towards back foot at the waist, creates false line of attack and false distance. Also head behind lead shoulder to protect against hooks.

Rear hand in front of chin ready to parry jab

Lead hand out in front close to opponent, always threatening and only a short snap away from full extension.

Weight on rear leg 'spring loads' the right hand.

Pros: easy to generate power. Built in defense. Great position to counter from

Cons: less manouvarable around the ring than if you were to stand straight up. Relys more on reactions than if you were to just plaster your gloves to your temples (which wasnt really an option with little gloves)

Probably loads more, but thats all my limited knowledge can offer
Reply With Quote
Tom Cruise is online now
#4
Old 04-17-2016, 10:56 PM
JAB5239
Dallas Cowboys
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Statesville, NC
Posts: 20,799
Quoted: 126 Post(s)
Rep Power: 73 JAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,000,000,000,000,265,216.00
Bank: 49,600,216,048,184.77
Total Points: 4,000,049,600,216,313,344.00
For giving me a chance to learn from the best. - DWiens421 For posting endless wisdom - Massage Queen keep dropping knowledge jabs - Makavelli To my friend Jab. One of the SUPERstars of Boxingscene. - BattlingNelson A toast homey. Here's to one of the site's best posters. - mangler 
Keeping History Alive - 0Rooster4Life0 Although we may disagree, I completely understand you. - Dominicano Soy! A lucky charm 4 ya homey - mangler To my boy JAB for keeping it real at all times - Kevin Jesus To a cool guy - Stoppage 
for being a heavyweight in history section - led For a friend and a guy who really knows his stuff. - Lorily Great Poster and Moderator. - Barnburner For your boxing knowledge and insightful threads. - Barnburner For being a noble gent and for top posts! - Sugarj 
To one of the nicest members on this forum. Knows boxing also! - Terry A For all the Boxing knowledge shared - BulgariasFinest For a great guy - jazluvr Thanks for your continued friendship &amp; for sharing your wealth of boxing knowledge w/ us! - Terry A Cheers mate. Loving the section. - BennyST 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Default

I think Alexis Arguello is a great example of a classic stance.
Reply With Quote
JAB5239 is offline
#5
Old 04-18-2016, 03:08 AM
The Old LefHook
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,216
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4 The Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,354.35
Bank: 8,658,023,536,035.82
Total Points: 8,658,023,537,390.17
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAB5239 View Post
I think Alexis Arguello is a great example of a classic stance.
I think so too. A very good one, because Arguello kept his left relatively high, which one could argue was the more classic of the two classic stances.

One could argue the other way, too. The left held lower, with the right open to parry punches, as you see even in Robinson, was institutionalized by the Gibbons brothers by at least as early as the late 1920's into a complete boxing system published and taught at their gym in Minnesota. It is probable this variation predates the Gibbons. Langford and others probably employed it, since holding the left lower is not only a natural liberty of circling from the outside, but a natural necessity. Even prior to that, one can see on film Corbett knew it was senseless to have his left high when he was far out of range.

For all his innovative impact, I do not believe Corbett yet had all the details of the model down.

Last edited by The Old LefHook; 04-18-2016 at 03:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Old LefHook is offline
#6
Old 04-19-2016, 12:32 AM
The Old LefHook
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,216
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4 The Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,354.35
Bank: 8,658,023,536,035.82
Total Points: 8,658,023,537,390.17
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Cruise View Post
Joe Louis



Head dipped towards back foot at the waist, creates false line of attack and false distance.
This element is intriguing. It does increase the distance slightly. Those ideas do not seem like afterthoughts, or like they could have come from fencing either, but I do not know that for sure.
Reply With Quote
The Old LefHook is offline
#7
Old 04-19-2016, 01:30 AM
JAB5239
Dallas Cowboys
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Statesville, NC
Posts: 20,799
Quoted: 126 Post(s)
Rep Power: 73 JAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond reputeJAB5239 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,000,000,000,000,265,216.00
Bank: 49,600,216,048,184.77
Total Points: 4,000,049,600,216,313,344.00
For giving me a chance to learn from the best. - DWiens421 For posting endless wisdom - Massage Queen keep dropping knowledge jabs - Makavelli To my friend Jab. One of the SUPERstars of Boxingscene. - BattlingNelson A toast homey. Here's to one of the site's best posters. - mangler 
Keeping History Alive - 0Rooster4Life0 Although we may disagree, I completely understand you. - Dominicano Soy! A lucky charm 4 ya homey - mangler To my boy JAB for keeping it real at all times - Kevin Jesus To a cool guy - Stoppage 
for being a heavyweight in history section - led For a friend and a guy who really knows his stuff. - Lorily Great Poster and Moderator. - Barnburner For your boxing knowledge and insightful threads. - Barnburner For being a noble gent and for top posts! - Sugarj 
To one of the nicest members on this forum. Knows boxing also! - Terry A For all the Boxing knowledge shared - BulgariasFinest For a great guy - jazluvr Thanks for your continued friendship &amp; for sharing your wealth of boxing knowledge w/ us! - Terry A Cheers mate. Loving the section. - BennyST 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - Tha_Greatest 
Default

Charley Burley may be an interesting choice to throw into this conversation. While he fights from a classic stance, his hands weren't kept up as high as Argullo or Louis. There was a video I saw some time ago that broke all this down using Hopkins as his modern contemporary. It's probably still on YouTube.
Reply With Quote
JAB5239 is offline
#8
Old 04-19-2016, 05:38 AM
Tom Cruise
Co.cktail
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Reading UK
Age: 25
Posts: 8,183
Quoted: 735 Post(s)
Rep Power: 47 Tom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond reputeTom Cruise has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,937,501,217,231,858.00
Bank: 162,461,075,895,151.47
Total Points: 3,099,962,293,127,009.50
thanks for the green! - jose830 enjoy the beer and the boobies :beerchug: - jose830 Thanks for the green...eat a healthy burger :D - jose830 No Message - -jose- Team Sutherland FTW - Mike D 
No Message - -jose- Happy New Year bro - HughJass 5000 post you get a hot dog congrats! - -jose- No Message - -jose- 'Obi Juan' :lol1: - -jose- 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - HUGH JASS 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Old LefHook View Post
This element is intriguing. It does increase the distance slightly. Those ideas do not seem like afterthoughts, or like they could have come from fencing either, but I do not know that for sure.

Louis vs Carnera is the first fight that came to my head when I was thinking about the benefits of this posture. Carnera was obviously not the most skilled but he tried to use a lot of straight punches and box behind the jab using his size, but Joe was able to nullify those tactics using very little energy



The extra distance created by having his head slightly towards the back foot means all of Carnera's jabs in this sequence fall short. The right hand sails harmlessly over the shoulder due to Joe keeping his head off line. He has barely even had to move and he's managed to not only make Carnera waste a load of punches, but also leave himself off balance. Louis didnt capitalize this time, but later on...



A slight shift back, a slight dip of the knees and Carnera is woefully off balance and open to the counter.

Louis was all about efficiency of movement, and this stance was perfect for that, allowing him to defend himself with the smallest movements possible, while also keeping himself in position to counter.
Reply With Quote
Tom Cruise is online now
#9
Old 04-19-2016, 08:44 PM
Trebuh
Contender
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Poland
Age: 17
Posts: 138
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4 Trebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond reputeTrebuh has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 23,899.92
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 23,899.92
Dedicated amateur boxer - Augustane 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAB5239 View Post
Charley Burley may be an interesting choice to throw into this conversation. While he fights from a classic stance, his hands weren't kept up as high as Argullo or Louis. There was a video I saw some time ago that broke all this down using Hopkins as his modern contemporary. It's probably still on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/81non05aKX4
Thats the video you are talking about. really great stuff
Reply With Quote
Trebuh is offline
#10
Old 04-19-2016, 08:51 PM
The Old LefHook
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,216
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Rep Power: 4 The Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond reputeThe Old LefHook has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,354.35
Bank: 8,658,023,536,035.82
Total Points: 8,658,023,537,390.17
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Cruise View Post
Louis vs Carnera is the first fight that came to my head when I was thinking about the benefits of this posture. Carnera was obviously not the most skilled but he tried to use a lot of straight punches and box behind the jab using his size, but Joe was able to nullify those tactics using very little energy



The extra distance created by having his head slightly towards the back foot means all of Carnera's jabs in this sequence fall short. The right hand sails harmlessly over the shoulder due to Joe keeping his head off line. He has barely even had to move and he's managed to not only make Carnera waste a load of punches, but also leave himself off balance. Louis didnt capitalize this time, but later on...



A slight shift back, a slight dip of the knees and Carnera is woefully off balance and open to the counter.

Louis was all about efficiency of movement, and this stance was perfect for that, allowing him to defend himself with the smallest movements possible, while also keeping himself in position to counter.
All valid points, sir. I believe guys like Jones and many others would even switch offline or online back and forth like a faint or a draw.
Reply With Quote
The Old LefHook is offline
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
classic, stance

User Tag List

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Cookie Policy - Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright 2003-2016 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:00 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.