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Old 04-25-2015, 05:45 AM
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Boxing trainers, The old school as Bernard Hopkins likes to claim. All those old time trainers like Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel, Jack Blackburn, Whitey Bimstein, Emmanuel Stewart are all dead and gone. There is very few old time trainers left to train today's young boxers. We have young trainers today like Adam Booth, Virgil Hunter, Robert Garcia and Rob McCracken..What is the difference and which is better old or new?
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Old 04-25-2015, 09:33 AM
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Even Freddie Roach admits that he isn't anywhere near the trainer Eddie Futch was. And that's coming from the most successful "modern" trainer out there so that says a lot.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:07 AM
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The biggest difference occured during the 76 Olympic Teams success.
The emphasis on lateral movement and scoring with multiple combination took presidence over landing decisive hard shots. The accumilation of punches while avoiding confrontation became a formular for success. It was nothing new, Willie Pep and Canzanera used the same method years before this but the slide step and pivot style was popular in the late 40's through the 50's.
Ali had alot to do with what was taught at the Olympic Center under Mr. Nappi that paved the way for Davis, Leonard, Spinks, Curtis, Randolph and the rest!

The young trainers today are influenced by the teachings then as opposed to the inside game that was taught prior for pro prospects. If you don't have athletic ability to move and produce spped with your hands you better have some techniques that increase your power or you won't make it in the pros!

Ideally you'd like to produce both methods amnd have the techniques to support them but today you see more movement than "stepping".
Broner comes to mind as a slide stepper who knows how to pivot the problem with his efforts is he hasn't produced enough power to make it work. He certainly knows how to box and move because he was successful as a J.O. boxer but he is trying to perfect an older style. (via Archie Moore)

The inside game is pretty much gone and thats a shame because the most entertaining bouts were always the pressure guy against the boxer/mover!

Now a days the pressure guys are just slow boxers who don't have the techniques taught to Marciano or a Tyson back to LaMotta to Dempsey.
You can add in Moore and Joe Louis when Joe went inside he did damage with his short angled shots that could be devasting.

The best trainers were always able to teach both basic styles so a young man who was suited for one or the other had a chance to learn and produce.
Occasionally you could incorperate both methods over time and come up with one hell of a fighter like Leonard or Hearns who started out as boxers and learnd how to "sit down" and punch with power.

Ray
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:39 AM
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The biggest difference occured during the 76 Olympic Teams success.
The emphasis on lateral movement and scoring with multiple combination took presidence over landing decisive hard shots. The accumilation of punches while avoiding confrontation became a formular for success. It was nothing new, Willie Pep and Canzanera used the same method years before this but the slide step and pivot style was popular in the late 40's through the 50's.
Ali had alot to do with what was taught at the Olympic Center under Mr. Nappi that paved the way for Davis, Leonard, Spinks, Curtis, Randolph and the rest!

The young trainers today are influenced by the teachings then as opposed to the inside game that was taught prior for pro prospects. If you don't have athletic ability to move and produce spped with your hands you better have some techniques that increase your power or you won't make it in the pros!

Ideally you'd like to produce both methods amnd have the techniques to support them but today you see more movement than "stepping".
Broner comes to mind as a slide stepper who knows how to pivot the problem with his efforts is he hasn't produced enough power to make it work. He certainly knows how to box and move because he was successful as a J.O. boxer but he is trying to perfect an older style. (via Archie Moore)

The inside game is pretty much gone and thats a shame because the most entertaining bouts were always the pressure guy against the boxer/mover!

Now a days the pressure guys are just slow boxers who don't have the techniques taught to Marciano or a Tyson back to LaMotta to Dempsey.
You can add in Moore and Joe Louis when Joe went inside he did damage with his short angled shots that could be devasting.

The best trainers were always able to teach both basic styles so a young man who was suited for one or the other had a chance to learn and produce.
Occasionally you could incorperate both methods over time and come up with one hell of a fighter like Leonard or Hearns who started out as boxers and learnd how to "sit down" and punch with power.

Ray
Thanks Ray great post.
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