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Old 08-07-2009, 03:13 AM
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I was thinking earlier about James Toney who is technically very skilled as everyone knows and how great he could have been with more dedication. I then though about why he wasn't dedicated, and maybe the win over Jirov when he made the move up to CW confirmed the needlessness of serious training and total reliance of pure skill in Toney's mind.

Look at it from Toney's point of view he moved up to CW a few fights before Jirov and beats the man at the time at that weight. CW is closer to where he naturally would weigh if he wasn't a boxer anyway. He is eating more and probably not training as hard and what happens? Success!!! So from that point on to Toney that little extra mile is nothing more than an un-necessary task in his mind that he can do without.

He takes it a step further and moves up to HW.
Toney in the Ruiz fight relies entirely on skill and less on conditioning and hard work and yet again.... success. So why should he bother?

I see the same thing happening right now with Chris Arreola. He is flabby, ppl criticize but he is still unbeaten and still winning most of his fights by ko. The only way he will change his ways and admit to himself that his lifestyle in the profession he is in may be a problem is when negativity comes from it. This will be in the form of a devastating loss......but for now, why should he bother? Comments opinions about Toney, Arreola, and lack of dedication.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:18 AM
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Even outta shape, Toney was good enuf to beat some decent HW's. The roid **** ruined the Ruiz title win, and he was robbed blind by Peter the 1st time. I did think he lost the 1st Rahman fight, and it was cuz of bein fat. By the time of the Peter rematch, he was just shot. I think the move to HW gave him complete freedom on the scale, and he let himself go. This combined wit age and many tough fights was his downfall.

Arreola could get in better shape, he just ain't got the will to do it.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:20 AM
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Even outta shape, Toney was good enuf to beat some decent HW's. The roid **** ruined the Ruiz title win, and he was robbed blind by Peter the 1st time. I did think he lost the 1st Rahman fight, and it was cuz of bein fat. By the time of the Peter rematch, he was just shot. I think the move to HW gave him complete freedom on the scale, and he let himself go. This combined wit age and many tough fights was his downfall.

Arreola could get in better shape, he just ain't got the will to do it.
cosign bro. well said
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:21 AM
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Even outta shape, Toney was good enuf to beat some decent HW's. The roid **** ruined the Ruiz title win, and he was robbed blind by Peter the 1st time. I did think he lost the 1st Rahman fight, and it was cuz of bein fat. By the time of the Peter rematch, he was just shot. I think the move to HW gave him complete freedom on the scale, and he let himself go. This combined wit age and many tough fights was his downfall.

Arreola could get in better shape, he just ain't got the will to do it.
I think maybe Toney if he could would go back down because he isn't going anywhere at HW, but like you said he is too old and I doubt his body will let him now at the weight he is at.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:33 AM
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I think maybe Toney if he could would go back down because he isn't going anywhere at HW, but like you said he is too old and I doubt his body will let him now at the weight he is at.
CW was perfect for him. The Jirov fight was probably his best performance. There just wasn't any $ there and there were more opportunities at HW. Toney coulda cleaned up CW had he stayed there for 1 more yr, which may have given him 2 more fights. He looked ok in 04, but the yr after he was really gettin chunky. I'm a huge Toney fan, which is why the 1st Peter robbery pissed me off, cuz I think he coulda beaten Oleg to get his HW belt before goin out. That woulda been the last decent fight he had in him, and even if he did tank overnight he woulda whooped Oleg.
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I was thinking earlier about James Toney who is technically very skilled as everyone knows and how great he could have been with more dedication. I then though about why he wasn't dedicated, and maybe the win over Jirov when he made the move up to CW confirmed the needlessness of serious training and total reliance of pure skill in Toney's mind.

Look at it from Toney's point of view he moved up to CW a few fights before Jirov and beats the man at the time at that weight. CW is closer to where he naturally would weigh if he wasn't a boxer anyway. He is eating more and probably not training as hard and what happens? Success!!! So from that point on to Toney that little extra mile is nothing more than an un-necessary task in his mind that he can do without.

He takes it a step further and moves up to HW.
Toney in the Ruiz fight relies entirely on skill and less on conditioning and hard work and yet again.... success. So why should he bother?

I see the same thing happening right now with Chris Arreola. He is flabby, ppl criticize but he is still unbeaten and still winning most of his fights by ko. The only way he will change his ways and admit to himself that his lifestyle in the profession he is in may be a problem is when negativity comes from it. This will be in the form of a devastating loss......but for now, why should he bother? Comments opinions about Toney, Arreola, and lack of dedication.
he took roids to fight at that pace in CW you ****ing dumbass. how long have you been following boxing?
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