Marvin Hagler Overrated Legacy?

[princemanspoper]

Now I just got done posting a response in another thread in regards to Marvin Hagler and I was on way to giving a more in depth response when I thought that it deserved a thread in itself,And that is in regard to Hagler and his legacy

Virtually every fighter is called overrated in this sport but this man,Hagler and his reseme never get questioned despite the fact that he fought in a fairly weak era of middleweights,despite the fact that he gets more credit for beating smaller fighters than any other fighter in history and he has gotten away with more whining and crying than any other fighter in the history of the sport

Hagler for years accused Hearns and Leonard of ducking him despite the fact that the two fought in division below him and unfortunately so many fans buy into this weak accusation,The very same argument could be used as to why Marvin Hagler never moved up to 175 to fight the likes of Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Ray Leonard gets accused of ducking Hagler for five years despite the fact that apart from one dissapointing return showing he was retired due to a legitimate detached retina and regardless of whether you felt Hagler won this fight or not,I would think any unbiased,impartial viewer would have it as a very close fight.Leonard was given the nod and when time came for Hagler to simply give Leonard his credit he never did,He ran off crying like a school girl to Italy and let his **** sucking fans to make excuses for him

Infact he went out of his way to discredit the man now compare this Thomas Hearns class who hid the fact that he roke his right hand so nobody would discredit Haglers victory over him,He didn't have to do that but he did,Leonard an inactive welterweight was ale to e extremely competitive with a man who was predicted to destroy Leonard and yet this is never mentioned as it doesn't it Haglers "destruct and destroy" legacy


Men like Fulgencio Obelmejias and Mustafa Hamsho got second shots at Hagler despite beating both men decisively and yet deserving challengers like James Kinchen,James Shuler and Herol Graham never did

Marvin Hagler fans are welcome to come here and refute what I said because I unlike some do not put those who disagree with me on ignore

[rskumm21]

WOW...

[D-MiZe]

He was black, he was left-handed, and he was good.

[D-MiZe]

"Hagler felt he wasn't getting the respect he deserved, or the big fights and hefty paydays that would accompany it. All that started to change in November of '83. Former lightweight and welterweight champ Roberto Duran had resurrected his career by knocking out junior middleweight champion Davey Moore, and decided to step up and challenge Hagler for the middleweight title. Duran was a superstar, exactly the kind of opponent who would draw a crowd and the kind of payday Hagler had earned over the past decade.

"The fight itself was anticlimactic. Hagler had prepared for the aggressive Duran that had bested Ray Leonard and Davey Moore, so when Duran utilized a conservative approach, Hagler and his trainers were caught off-guard. After 12 rounds of slow, tactical boxing, Duran had a slim lead on the scorecards. Feeling the championship he had worked so hard to attain slipping away, Hagler went on the attack in the final three rounds and won a close decision. Duran was the first challenger to Hagler's crown to last the fight's distance."

If you're looking for someone who's a crowd pleaser and throws Bolo punches, look at SRL.

[D-MiZe]

Lets face it Hagler's era was stronger than Hopkins' era in the middleweight division.

[Stoppage]

I thought Sugar Ray Leonard won their fight, which was impressive. The situation in which Hearns broke his right hand is a tough a one. You could say that he would've knocked Hagler out later if he hadn't broken it but you could also say Hagler would've taken his shots and the outcome wouldn't have changed.

One thing for sure is Hagler dominated in the middleweight division during the '80s. End of story.

[D-MiZe]

I thought Sugar Ray Leonard won their fight.

Well you would, you're an SRL fan.

[sonnyboyx2]

Now I just got done posting a response in another thread in regards to Marvin Hagler and I was on way to giving a more in depth response when I thought that it deserved a thread in itself,And that is in regard to Hagler and his legacy

Virtually every fighter is called overrated in this sport but this man,Hagler and his reseme never get questioned despite the fact that he fought in a fairly weak era of middleweights,despite the fact that he gets more credit for beating smaller fighters than any other fighter in history and he has gotten away with more whining and crying than any other fighter in the history of the sport

Hagler for years accused Hearns and Leonard of ducking him despite the fact that the two fought in division below him and unfortunately so many fans buy into this weak accusation,The very same argument could be used as to why Marvin Hagler never moved up to 175 to fight the likes of Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Ray Leonard gets accused of ducking Hagler for five years despite the fact that apart from one dissapointing return showing he was retired due to a legitimate detached retina and regardless of whether you felt Hagler won this fight or not,I would think any unbiased,impartial viewer would have it as a very close fight.Leonard was given the nod and when time came for Hagler to simply give Leonard his credit he never did,He ran off crying like a school girl to Italy and let his **** sucking fans to make excuses for him

Inact he went out of his way to discredit the man now compare this Thomas Hearns class who hid the fact that he roke his right hand so nobody would discredit Haglers victory over him,He didn't have to do that but he did,Leonard an inactive welterweight was ale to e extremely competitive with a man who was predicted to destroy Leonard and yet this is never mentioned as it doesn't it Haglers "destruct and destroy" legacy


Men like Fulgencio Obelmejias and Mustafa Hamsho got second shots at Hagler despite beating both men decisively and yet deserving challengers like James Kinchen,James Shuler and Herol Graham never did

Marvin Hagler fans are welcome to come here and refute what I said because I unlike some do not put those who disagree with me on ignore

Hagler was very fortunate that Thomas Hearns broke his famous right-hand in the opening round.. IMO Marvin Hagler falls short of being in the Top 10 Greatest Middleweights, although Hagler was a good fighter he would struggle IMO to beat, Robinson, Grebb, Zale, Cerdan, BHop, Jones jr. Toney, McClellan, Fullmer, Monzon, Ketchel... Hagler twice fought Britains Kevin Finnigan over in Boston and by all accounts Finnigan handled Marvin quite easily but was robbed of victory due to Hagler opening up several cuts over Finnigans eyes due to illegal headbutts.. if Herol Graham had got his shot at Hagler which he deserved i am sure he would have given Hagler fits, Graham was very unfortunate in his fight with Mike McCallum so there is no reason to suspect he would not have done well with Hagler... IMO i dont think any version of Hagler could beat Ray Leonard who was pure class.

[princemanspoper]

WOW...

Appreciate the insight, Mate.Your post demonstrates a complete understanding and knowledge on boxing and it's history as well as the topic in question which is Marvin Hagler.It really is posters like yourself who's contribution to these forums is what makes boxing the thriving sports that it is today.Thank you for keeping boxing alive with your long,well thoughout posts

[Kid McCoy]

Hagler was very fortunate that Thomas Hearns broke his famous right-hand in the opening round.. IMO Marvin Hagler falls short of being in the Top 10 Greatest Middleweights, although Hagler was a good fighter he would struggle IMO to beat, Robinson, Grebb, Zale, Cerdan, BHop, Jones jr. Toney, McClellan, Fullmer, Monzon, Ketchel... Hagler twice fought Britains Kevin Finnigan over in Boston and by all accounts Finnigan handled Marvin quite easily but was robbed of victory due to Hagler opening up several cuts over Finnigans eyes due to illegal headbutts.. if Herol Graham had got his shot at Hagler which he deserved i am sure he would have given Hagler fits, Graham was very unfortunate in his fight with Mike McCallum so there is no reason to suspect he would not have done well with Hagler... IMO i dont think any version of Hagler could beat Ray Leonard who was pure class.

Finnegan did not "by all accounts" handle Hagler easily. The first fight was even and Hagler was clearly ahead in the second. Finnegan was also tough as nails and would gave many a middleweight a hard fight. Please provide a source for Hagler cutting him with headbutts.

Incidentally, for someone so attuned to ducking, hand-picking of opponents and other controversies, I'm surprised your only assessment of Ray Leonard is "pure class"...