|08-27-2009, 07:02 PM||#11|
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dont really care about hagler, but leonard and hearns are 2 of the best fighters ever.....just watching them on tape there style translates so well and they would dominate todays competition....hearns losses with the exception of the great leonard are above welterweight....
im as big floyd fan as anyone but you cant say haglers competition was nobodys then brag about floyds wins at lightweight.....the legacy names of his record are corralles, hatton, hernandez, and dlh....castillo was never that great....dont be ignorant...
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|08-27-2009, 07:29 PM||#12|
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JMM: Lost to Freddie Norwood and never avenged the fight. Best win was against average Casamayor, and overarted Diaz(Malinaggi schooled him why couldn't JMM?). Best known for Drawing and Losing to Overated PacMan.
^^^This is what you just did to the Fab Four, this type of argument can be applied to just about every fighter and it doesn't prove too much. Your
Clearly JMM isn't a bum and neither is any of the Fab Four. Perhaps slightly overrated, but every fighter from the past is overrated a slight bit just like how everything was better back in the day...
|08-27-2009, 07:39 PM||#13|
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"Even as an African American, I can say Leonard is also the product of African American hyping machine. For some own reason the AA community has fallen in love with this fraudster. Put a red nose on Leonard and he becomes a clown.
Hagler/Leonard = Oscar/Pernell. Both Oscar and Leonard stole the fight, they didn’t win. They threw flurries at the end of each round to deception the judges and it worked. They also were big draws at the time, so they knew they were also going to get the decision.
Leonard also waited for Hagler to get old until he rematched him. There was signs he was declining, hence why Leonard took the opportunity to fight him. Again, he lost to Herans in the rematch. He beat Duran when he was unprepared. What kind of so called great WW has to get a LW untrained to beat him? Leonard also was beaten UP by a LW. That is shameful. I would not consider PBF if he loses to JMM. Leonard was beaten out of boxing by two skillless guys."
African American hype machine?
Leonard a fraudster and a clown?
Leonard stole the Hagler fight yet Hagler is a bum for losing to Leonard?
Leonard was beaten by two skilless guys? Camacho and Norris had no skill?
Even then he fought Ernesto Marcel, the featherweight champ, Hiroshi Kobayashi, the former undisputed super featherweight champ, Ken Buchanan, the reigning lightweight champ, Esteban DeJesus, the WBC world lightweight champ, Saoul Mamby, a future LWW champ, Suzuki Ishimatsu, a future lightweight champ, Edwin Viruet, a top ranked contender, Ray Lampkin, top ranked contender, Hector Thompson, a top ranked contender, Vilomar Fernandez, a top ranked contender, Emiliano Villa, a top ranked contender, Leoncio Ortiz, a top ranked contender...
That's a pretty good resume in itself but there was more to come.
How did Duran avoid Rodolfo Gonzales, who only held the title because the WBC had inexplicably stripped it off Ken Buchanan, when his reign didn't last much longer than a year before he was knocked out by Guts Ishimatsu, a man Duran had completely dominated previously?
Gonzales was good but I don't think his reign at the top was long enough to say that Duran deliberately "ducked" him.
The Buchanan bout was only controversial because Duran responded with a punch that went low when Buchanan started swinging after the bell had sounded. Duran had been in control of the fight up to that point.
Buchanan should have gotten his rematch at some point and would have surely forced it to be made had he beaten Ishimatsu for the WBC version of the title. He was unsuccessful in his attempt to regain the title.
I believe that in the end Duran's camp did offer a rematch to Buchanan but Buchanan declined the offer and retired.
Unfortunately this is a pay-per-view article but it's about Buchanan declining the fight offer against Duran:
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|08-27-2009, 08:36 PM||#14|
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Let's face it: Flawless has a long and less than steller track record here on Boxing Scene. This is nothing more than yet another shameless attempt by him to make his idol Floyd Mayweather look like the GOAT by ripping down past greats. Go back and read this guy's posts: Everything he does revolves around making Floyd the GOAT. It's not just an ulterior motive it's his ONLY motive.
|08-27-2009, 11:17 PM||#16|
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|08-27-2009, 11:35 PM||#17|
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The guy who made this thread is a complete fool. I notice a lot of immaturity in the main forum, as that is where the bulk of posters congregate. I suspect many of them are newer fans to the sport. I'm surprised to see that this kind of stupidity has found its way to this section of the site. I see many of those younger posters in NSB attacking the credibility of top fighters to put PBF on a greater pedestal. But this thread is a slap to the face of 4 bonafide legends in our sport, and the threadstarter has lost his right to be taken seriously.
|08-28-2009, 07:39 AM||#18|
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I can't believe you guys have fallen for this troll thread. Don't give him the satisfaction by responding to this BS
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