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Old 06-21-2009, 07:36 AM
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Default Ray Robinson against boxers.

From most of the footage I have seen of SRR, it seems that most of his opponents were come forward aggressive brawlers or just strong fighters, as opposed to pure boxers e.g Lamotta, Basilio, Turpin, Fullmer, Olson.

Does anyone know how he fared against pure boxers, as I haven't seen any footage of him fighting fighters in this mould and was wondering how he would fight and what it would look like. The only fighter I can really think of would be Kid Gavilan, has anyone seen any footage of this fight? I ask this question as I just wonder how he would box against a slick boxer. Does anyone know of any other fighters who he fought in this mould/ or have any footage?

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Old 06-21-2009, 08:25 AM
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From most of the footage I have seen of SRR, it seems that most of his opponents were come forward aggressive brawlers or just strong fighters, as opposed to pure boxers e.g Lamotta, Basilio, Turpin, Fullmer, Olson.

Does anyone know how he fared against pure boxers, as I haven't seen any footage of him fighting fighters in this mould and was wondering how he would fight and what it would look like. The only fighter I can really think of would be Kid Gavilan, has anyone seen any footage of this fight? I ask this question as I just wonder how he would box against a slick boxer. Does anyone know of any other fighters who he fought in this mould/ or have any footage?

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He owned everyone hence the fact he had a 179-1 record upto his downfall.
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Old 06-21-2009, 09:37 AM
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From most of the footage I have seen of SRR, it seems that most of his opponents were come forward aggressive brawlers or just strong fighters, as opposed to pure boxers e.g Lamotta, Basilio, Turpin, Fullmer, Olson.

Does anyone know how he fared against pure boxers, as I haven't seen any footage of him fighting fighters in this mould and was wondering how he would fight and what it would look like. The only fighter I can really think of would be Kid Gavilan, has anyone seen any footage of this fight? I ask this question as I just wonder how he would box against a slick boxer. Does anyone know of any other fighters who he fought in this mould/ or have any footage?

Thanks.
You do have a point...
The majority of his fights were against non stylist tough guys... He had a reputation of knocking the teeth out of "chew piano wire, piss blood" fighters...
The only two stylists he fought, who immediatelly come to mind are Paul Pender & Joey Maxim, & he didn't fare so well.. Granted, Maxim was a WC L/HW and Pender got in at the right time...
As already mentioned by Oriachim, he owned everyone in the early days, and I'm sure some of those guys were purists (to a degree), But he still never answered your question, and as already said, you DO have a point..
Towards the end of his career, he obviously faded and lost to inferior fighters like Mick Leahy from Ireland....
Summing up.... I'd say inspite of his greatness, he WAS the only REAL stylist of his generation.... Good thread.....
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:24 AM
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You do have a point...
The majority of his fights were against non stylist tough guys... He had a reputation of knocking the teeth out of "chew piano wire, piss blood" fighters...
The only two stylists he fought, who immediatelly come to mind are Paul Pender & Joey Maxim, & he didn't fare so well.. Granted, Maxim was a WC L/HW and Pender got in at the right time...
As already mentioned by Oriachim, he owned everyone in the early days, and I'm sure some of those guys were purists (to a degree), But he still never answered your question, and as already said, you DO have a point..
Towards the end of his career, he obviously faded and lost to inferior fighters like Mick Leahy from Ireland....
Summing up.... I'd say inspite of his greatness, he WAS the only REAL stylist of his generation.... Good thread.....
Have to disagree with you there: The afore mentioned Kid Gavilan (whom Robinson beat) was as slick and crafty as they come.

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Old 06-21-2009, 11:40 AM
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is there any footage of him against pender or gavilan??
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:46 AM
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is there any footage of him against pender or gavilan??
I've seen footage of the first Pender fight. I haven't run across any of the Gavilan fight yet. TheGreatA is the best source for this stuff though: If anyone has it he does.

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Old 06-21-2009, 12:16 PM
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I haven't found any footage of Robinson's fight with Gavilan but from what I've read it was very close and competitive. That must've been a great fight to watch.
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Old 06-21-2009, 12:44 PM
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Have to disagree with you there: The afore mentioned Kid Gavilan (whom Robinson beat) was as slick and crafty as they come.

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My appologies for overlooking that (there's always something you'll miss)
I tended to overlook his WW achievements, as opposed to what he accomplished at MW & L/HW...
Although patchy, Gavilan WAS a slickster.... That's probably why Robinson had his work cut out... So have I, with non sufferers like your goodself..lol... Regards MM
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Fritzie Zivic vs Sammy Angott:


Fritzie Zivic vs Freddie Cochrane:


Zivic is the taller guy in both fights. Robinson beat Zivic twice, also Angott 3 times.

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He was past his prime here.
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