Kimura, Americana, Key-Lock, Figure 4? - Boxing Forum
  Trending Topics  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Non Boxing Talk > Mixed Martial Arts Discussion
Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 06-10-2004, 10:55 AM
GeNeRaL
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Connecticut
Age: 40
Posts: 1,270
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 0 GeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these parts
Points: 53,635.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 53,635.00
Send a message via AIM to GeNeRaL
Default Kimura, Americana, Key-Lock, Figure 4?

What are the differences between these? I have so many opportunities to use them, but i haven't been taught them yet in class. I'd like to know what the differences are so i make sence more when describing them in training.
Reply With Quote
GeNeRaL is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 06-10-2004, 11:15 AM
Kempo Chris
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: U.S.A.
Age: 32
Posts: 4,874
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 23 Kempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond reputeKempo Chris has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 337,438.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 337,438.00
Send a message via AIM to Kempo Chris
Default

I thought they were all the same
Reply With Quote
Kempo Chris is offline
#3
Old 06-10-2004, 11:34 AM
GeNeRaL
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Connecticut
Age: 40
Posts: 1,270
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 0 GeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these parts
Points: 53,635.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 53,635.00
Send a message via AIM to GeNeRaL
Default

i thought that too, but then i asked myself...why 4 names for the same technique?
Reply With Quote
GeNeRaL is offline
#4
Old 06-10-2004, 02:10 PM
Mr. Beelzebub
Llamas love midgets
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Overlooking NYC, five minutes away from the birthplace of baseball...
Posts: 13,151
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 44 Mr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 185,136.20
Bank: 1,389,880,530.17
Total Points: 1,390,065,666.37
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Beelzebub Send a message via Yahoo to Mr. Beelzebub
Default

A kimura is a figure 4 going the opposite direction (Sakuraba on Royler). A key lock, Americana, and figure 4 are the same thing.
Reply With Quote
Mr. Beelzebub is offline
#5
Old 06-10-2004, 02:19 PM
Mr. Beelzebub
Llamas love midgets
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Overlooking NYC, five minutes away from the birthplace of baseball...
Posts: 13,151
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 44 Mr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond reputeMr. Beelzebub has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 185,136.20
Bank: 1,389,880,530.17
Total Points: 1,390,065,666.37
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Beelzebub Send a message via Yahoo to Mr. Beelzebub
Default

Kimura:
http://www.bjj.org/techniques/aranha/kimura/

Americana, sometimes called figure 4, armlock, shoulder lock, or Keyock
http://www.bjj.org/techniques/aranha/valetudo/
Reply With Quote
Mr. Beelzebub is offline
#6
Old 06-10-2004, 04:36 PM
GeNeRaL
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Connecticut
Age: 40
Posts: 1,270
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 0 GeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these partsGeNeRaL is infamous around these parts
Points: 53,635.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 53,635.00
Send a message via AIM to GeNeRaL
Default

awesome, thanks for the info and links Beelzebub
Image View Removed. For more information, please contact our forum admins by clicking here.
Reply With Quote
GeNeRaL is offline
#7
Old 06-13-2004, 01:02 AM
DOGGx0
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: LBC
Age: 35
Posts: 10,770
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 35 DOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond reputeDOGGx0 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 711,086.32
Bank: 18,414.58
Total Points: 729,500.90
Send a message via AIM to DOGGx0 Send a message via MSN to DOGGx0
Default

yeah, bub's right. they are all the same thing but different ways of performing it. i normally have been taught that the figure 4 was just the easiest way to describe the actual move. i never really called the figure 4 a move, but more like a description of a move.
Reply With Quote
DOGGx0 is offline
#8
Old 06-25-2004, 01:36 PM
handjobs4dollars
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Prince george B.C.
Age: 32
Posts: 14,135
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 42 handjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond reputehandjobs4dollars has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 275,594.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 275,594.00
Send a message via AIM to handjobs4dollars
Default

I always call it a keylock when I'm on the ground but wqhen I'm standing I always call it a kimura for some reason.
Reply With Quote
handjobs4dollars is offline
#9
Old 07-14-2004, 12:03 PM
TheMachine
Up and Comer
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: on the mat
Age: 37
Posts: 51
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 13 TheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond reputeTheMachine has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 18,401.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 18,401.00
One of NSBs best contributors - BostonGuy One of NSBs best contributors - BostonGuy Don't always agree, but I can always see your point - DarchinyFAN 
Send a message via AIM to TheMachine Send a message via Yahoo to TheMachine
Default

an americana/keylock is then the elbow is pointing down and you have to bring the elbow near the rib for the lock to work. the kimura is when you have to bring the elbow far from the body
Reply With Quote
TheMachine is offline
#10
Old 11-20-2004, 06:36 PM
Shaolin Bushido
Internet Ninja
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Iga Province
Posts: 3,229
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 18 Shaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond reputeShaolin Bushido has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 43,000.53
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 43,000.53
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Beelzebub
A kimura is a figure 4 going the opposite direction (Sakuraba on Royler). A key lock, Americana, and figure 4 are the same thing.
I always considered em all the same. So kimura goes the opposite direction. Learn something new every day.
Reply With Quote
Shaolin Bushido is offline
Reply

Share This With Friends

User Tag List

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Cookie Policy - Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright 2003-2016 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:37 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.