2009 BoxingScene All-Time Consensus Heavyweight Rankings

[Hawkins]

This is the new consensus ranking. This consensus consisted of 25 voters. Go here for the previous ranking. In case of a tie-breaker the fighter with the highest position votes is placed ahead.

1. Joe Louis - 352 points
2. Muhammad Ali - 351 points
3. Larry Holmes - 241 points
4. George Foreman - 239 points
5. Lennox Lewis - 223 points
6. Jack Johnson - 216 points
7. Rocky Marciano - 202 points
8. Jack Dempsey - 189 points
9. Joe Frazier - 184 points
10. Mike Tyson - 175 points
11. Evander Holyfield - 152 points
12. Sonny Liston - 135 points
13. Gene Tunney - 59 points
14. Ezzard Charles - 36 points
15. Sam Langford - 35 points
16. Jim Jeffries - 32 points
17. Harry Wills - 24 points
18. Floyd Patterson - 22 points
19. Jersey Joe Walcott - 18 points
20. Riddick Bowe - 14 points
21. James J. Corbett - 11 points
22. Max Schmelling - 11 points
23. Vitali Klitschko - 10 points
24. Ken Norton - 9 points
25. John L. Sullivan - 6 points

Here is the way the votes tallied up. The voting position is first and the number of votes are in parenthesis. NR denotes Not Ranked.

• Joe Louis - 1(8), 2(14), 3(2), 6(1)
• Muhammad Ali - 1(15), 2(9), NR(1)
• Larry Holmes - 3(11), 4(6), 5(4), 9(1), 11(1), NR(2)
• George Foreman - 3(1), 4(4), 5(5), 6(7), 7(1), 8(2), 9(2), 10(1), 11(1), 13(1)
• Lennox Lewis - 1(1), 3(2), 4(3), 5(5), 6(3), 7(1), 8(2), 10(4), 11(2), 13(1), NR(1)
• Jack Johnson - 1(1), 3(4), 4(4), 5(3), 6(1), 8(3), 9(2), 10(1), 11(1), 13(2), 14(1), NR(1)
• Rocky Marciano - 3(2), 4(1), 5(2), 6(3), 7(3), 8(5), 9(4), 10(1), 12(2), 13(1), NR(1)
• Jack Dempsey - 3(2), 4(4), 6(3), 7(2), 8(1), 9(2), 10(2), 11(4), 12(2), 13(1), 14(1), NR(1)
• Joe Frazier - 5(1), 6(3), 7(8), 8(3), 9(3), 10(1), 11(3), 13(1), 14(1), NR(1)
• Mike Tyson - 2(1), 4(1), 6(1), 7(5), 8(2), 9(2), 10(4), 11(3), 12(2), 13(1), NR(3)
• Evander Holyfield - 4(1), 5(2), 6(1), 7(2), 8(5), 9(3), 10(4), 11(1), 12(2), 14(1), 15(1), NR(1)
• Sonny Liston - 5(1), 6(2), 7(2), 8(1), 9(3), 10(3), 11(2), 12(6), 13(1), 14(1), NR(3)
• Gene Tunney - 5(1), 8(1), 11(2), 12(1), 13(3), 14(6), 15(1), NR(10)
• Ezzard Charles - 10(1), 11(3), 12(1), 13(1), 14(2), 15(4), NR(13)
• Sam Langford - 4(1), 7(1), 9(1), 13(1), 14(1), 15(2), NR(18)
• Jim Jeffries - 2(1), 12(1), 13(4), 15(2), NR(17)
• Harry Wills - 9(1), 12(2), 13(2), 14(1), 15(1), NR(18)
• Floyd Patterson - 10(1), 13(1), 14(3), 15(7), NR(13)
• Jersey Joe Walcott - 12(3), 14(3), NR(19)
• Riddick Bowe - 10(1), 13(2), 15(2), NR(20)
• James J. Corbett - 5(1), NR(24)
• MAX Schmeling - 9(1). 12(1), NR(23)
• Vitali Klitschko - 8(1), 14(1), NR(23)
• Ken Norton - 11(1), 14(2), NR(22)
• John L. Sullivan - 11(1), 15(1), NR(23)
• Michael Spinx - 10(1), NR(24)
• James J. Braddock - 13(1), NR(24)
• Wladimir Klitschko - 15(2), NR(23)
• Peter Jackson - 14(1), NR(24)
• Michael Moorer - 15(1), NR(24)

[poet682006]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

This is the new consensus ranking. This consensus consisted of 25 voters. Go here for the previous ranking. In case of a tie-breaker the fighter with the highest position votes is placed ahead.

1. Joe Louis - 352 points
2. Muhammad Ali - 351 points
3. Larry Holmes - 241 points
4. George Foreman - 239 points
5. Lennox Lewis - 223 points
6. Jack Johnson - 216 points
7. Rocky Marciano - 202 points
8. Jack Dempsey - 189 points
9. Joe Frazier - 184 points
10. Mike Tyson - 175 points
11. Evander Holyfield - 152 points
12. Sonny Liston - 135 points
13. Gene Tunney - 59 points
14. Ezzard Charles - 36 points
15. Sam Langford - 35 points
16. Jim Jeffries - 32 points
17. Harry Wills - 24 points
18. Floyd Patterson - 22 points
19. Jersey Joe Walcott - 18 points
20. Riddick Bowe - 14 points
21. James J. Corbett - 11 points
22. Max Schmelling - 11 points
23. Vitali Klitschko - 10 points
24. Ken Norton - 9 points
25. John L. Sullivan - 6 points

Here is the way the votes tallied up. The voting position is first and the number of votes are in parenthesis. NR denotes Not Ranked.

• Joe Louis - 1(8), 2(14), 3(2), 6(1)
• Muhammad Ali - 1(15), 2(9), NR(1)
• Larry Holmes - 3(11), 4(6), 5(4), 9(1), 11(1), NR(2)
• George Foreman - 3(1), 4(4), 5(5), 6(7), 7(1), 8(2), 9(2), 10(1), 11(1), 13(1)
• Lennox Lewis - 1(1), 3(2), 4(3), 5(5), 6(3), 7(1), 8(2), 10(4), 11(2), 13(1), NR(1)
• Jack Johnson - 1(1), 3(4), 4(4), 5(3), 6(1), 8(3), 9(2), 10(1), 11(1), 13(2), 14(1), NR(1)
• Rocky Marciano - 3(2), 4(1), 5(2), 6(3), 7(3), 8(5), 9(4), 10(1), 12(2), 13(1), NR(1)
• Jack Dempsey - 3(2), 4(4), 6(3), 7(2), 8(1), 9(2), 10(2), 11(4), 12(2), 13(1), 14(1), NR(1)
• Joe Frazier - 5(1), 6(3), 7(8), 8(3), 9(3), 10(1), 11(3), 13(1), 14(1), NR(1)
• Mike Tyson - 2(1), 4(1), 6(1), 7(5), 8(2), 9(2), 10(4), 11(3), 12(2), 13(1), NR(3)
• Evander Holyfield - 4(1), 5(2), 6(1), 7(2), 8(5), 9(3), 10(4), 11(1), 12(2), 14(1), 15(1), NR(1)
• Sonny Liston - 5(1), 6(2), 7(2), 8(1), 9(3), 10(3), 11(2), 12(6), 13(1), 14(1), NR(3)
• Gene Tunney - 5(1), 8(1), 11(2), 12(1), 13(3), 14(6), 15(1), NR(10)
• Ezzard Charles - 10(1), 11(3), 12(1), 13(1), 14(2), 15(4), NR(13)
• Sam Langford - 4(1), 7(1), 9(1), 13(1), 14(1), 15(2), NR(18)
• Jim Jeffries - 2(1), 12(1), 13(4), 15(2), NR(17)
• Harry Wills - 9(1), 12(2), 13(2), 14(1), 15(1), NR(18)
• Floyd Patterson - 10(1), 13(1), 14(3), 15(7), NR(13)
• Jersey Joe Walcott - 12(3), 14(3), NR(19)
• Riddick Bowe - 10(1), 13(2), 15(2), NR(20)
• James J. Corbett - 5(1), NR(24)
• MAX Schmeling - 9(1). 12(1), NR(23)
• Vitali Klitschko - 8(1), 14(1), NR(23)
• Ken Norton - 11(1), 14(2), NR(22)
• John L. Sullivan - 11(1), 15(1), NR(23)
• Michael Spinx - 10(1), NR(24)
• James J. Braddock - 13(1), NR(24)
• Wladimir Klitschko - 15(2), NR(23)
• Peter Jackson - 14(1), NR(24)
• Michael Moorer - 15(1), NR(24)

Nice to see Patterson getting some love

Poet

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

This is the new consensus ranking. This consensus consisted of 25 voters. Go here for the previous ranking. In case of a tie-breaker the fighter with the highest position votes is placed ahead.

1. Joe Louis - 352 points
2. Muhammad Ali - 351 points
3. Larry Holmes - 241 points
4. George Foreman - 239 points
5. Lennox Lewis - 223 points
6. Jack Johnson - 216 points
7. Rocky Marciano - 202 points
8. Jack Dempsey - 189 points
9. Joe Frazier - 184 points
10. Mike Tyson - 175 points
11. Evander Holyfield - 152 points
12. Sonny Liston - 135 points
13. Gene Tunney - 59 points
14. Ezzard Charles - 36 points
15. Sam Langford - 35 points
16. Jim Jeffries - 32 points
17. Harry Wills - 24 points
18. Floyd Patterson - 22 points
19. Jersey Joe Walcott - 18 points
20. Riddick Bowe - 14 points
21. James J. Corbett - 11 points
22. Max Schmelling - 11 points
23. Vitali Klitschko - 10 points
24. Ken Norton - 9 points
25. John L. Sullivan - 6 points

Here is the way the votes tallied up. The voting position is first and the number of votes are in parenthesis. NR denotes Not Ranked.

• Joe Louis - 1(8), 2(14), 3(2), 6(1)
• Muhammad Ali - 1(15), 2(9), NR(1)
• Larry Holmes - 3(11), 4(6), 5(4), 9(1), 11(1), NR(2)
• George Foreman - 3(1), 4(4), 5(5), 6(7), 7(1), 8(2), 9(2), 10(1), 11(1), 13(1)
• Lennox Lewis - 1(1), 3(2), 4(3), 5(5), 6(3), 7(1), 8(2), 10(4), 11(2), 13(1), NR(1)
• Jack Johnson - 1(1), 3(4), 4(4), 5(3), 6(1), 8(3), 9(2), 10(1), 11(1), 13(2), 14(1), NR(1)
• Rocky Marciano - 3(2), 4(1), 5(2), 6(3), 7(3), 8(5), 9(4), 10(1), 12(2), 13(1), NR(1)
• Jack Dempsey - 3(2), 4(4), 6(3), 7(2), 8(1), 9(2), 10(2), 11(4), 12(2), 13(1), 14(1), NR(1)
• Joe Frazier - 5(1), 6(3), 7(8), 8(3), 9(3), 10(1), 11(3), 13(1), 14(1), NR(1)
• Mike Tyson - 2(1), 4(1), 6(1), 7(5), 8(2), 9(2), 10(4), 11(3), 12(2), 13(1), NR(3)
• Evander Holyfield - 4(1), 5(2), 6(1), 7(2), 8(5), 9(3), 10(4), 11(1), 12(2), 14(1), 15(1), NR(1)
• Sonny Liston - 5(1), 6(2), 7(2), 8(1), 9(3), 10(3), 11(2), 12(6), 13(1), 14(1), NR(3)
• Gene Tunney - 5(1), 8(1), 11(2), 12(1), 13(3), 14(6), 15(1), NR(10)
• Ezzard Charles - 10(1), 11(3), 12(1), 13(1), 14(2), 15(4), NR(13)
• Sam Langford - 4(1), 7(1), 9(1), 13(1), 14(1), 15(2), NR(18)
• Jim Jeffries - 2(1), 12(1), 13(4), 15(2), NR(17)
• Harry Wills - 9(1), 12(2), 13(2), 14(1), 15(1), NR(18)
• Floyd Patterson - 10(1), 13(1), 14(3), 15(7), NR(13)
• Jersey Joe Walcott - 12(3), 14(3), NR(19)
• Riddick Bowe - 10(1), 13(2), 15(2), NR(20)
• James J. Corbett - 5(1), NR(24)
• MAX Schmeling - 9(1). 12(1), NR(23)
• Vitali Klitschko - 8(1), 14(1), NR(23)
• Ken Norton - 11(1), 14(2), NR(22)
• John L. Sullivan - 11(1), 15(1), NR(23)
• Michael Spinx - 10(1), NR(24)
• James J. Braddock - 13(1), NR(24)
• Wladimir Klitschko - 15(2), NR(23)
• Peter Jackson - 14(1), NR(24)
• Michael Moorer - 15(1), NR(24)

The time you put into this is appreciated. Thank you.

[FreshPrince]

I was worried Holmes would be underrated, but he's up there at three where he belongs!

[LondonRingRules]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

This is the new consensus ranking. This consensus consisted of 25 voters.

• Joe Louis - 352 points
• Muhammad Ali - 351 points
• Larry Holmes - 241 points
• George Foreman - 239 points
• 5. Lennox Lewis - 223 points
• Jack Johnson - 216 points
• Rocky Marciano - 202 points
• Jack Dempsey - 189 points
• Joe Frazier - 184 points
• 10. Mike Tyson - 175 points
• Evander Holyfield - 152 points
• Sonny Liston - 135 points
• Gene Tunney - 59 points
• Ezzard Charles - 36 points
• 15. Sam Langford - 35 points
• Jim Jeffries - 32 points
• Harry Wills - 24 points
• Floyd Patterson - 22 points
• Jersey Joe Walcott - 18 points
• 20. Riddick Bowe - 14 points
• James J. Corbett - 11 points
• Max Schmelling - 11 points
• Vitali Klitschko - 10 points
• Ken Norton - 9 points
• John L. Sullivan - 6 points

** BS is relying upon your unimpeachable character as well as your unassailable competency.............

Props for all the work put in, no small task moving around names and numbers. Perhaps future polls can consist of pre formulated spreadsheet formats which are filled out and then updated automatically.

In the meantime, expect the usual suspects to blither on in the newest umpteenth thread about Big Pants Larry being underrated, yet providing no rating.

Here is the IBRO secret polling list to compare:

1. Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
5. Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes
7. James J. Jeffries
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
11. Gene Tunney
Lennox Lewis
13. Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Sam Langford
Jersey Joe Walcott
17. Ezzard Charles
Harry Wills
19. James J. Corbett
Bob Fitzsimmons
Riddick Bowe
Max Schmeling
23. Joe Jeannette
Peter Jackson
25. John L. Sullivan

[Hawkins]

Originally Posted by LondonRingRules

** BS is relying upon your unimpeachable character as well as your unassailable competency.............

Props for all the work put in, no small task moving around names and numbers. Perhaps future polls can consist of pre formulated spreadsheet formats which are filled out and then updated automatically.

In the meantime, expect the usual suspects to blither on in the newest umpteenth thread about Big Pants Larry being underrated, yet providing no rating.

Here is the IBRO secret polling list to compare:

1. Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
5. Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes
7. James J. Jeffries
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
11. Gene Tunney
Lennox Lewis
13. Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Sam Langford
Jersey Joe Walcott
17. Ezzard Charles
Harry Wills
19. James J. Corbett
Bob Fitzsimmons
Riddick Bowe
Max Schmeling
23. Joe Jeannette
Peter Jackson
25. John L. Sullivan

what the fcuk is your problem? you're just a bitter old bastard who gets his jollies off by attacking people on a message board. if you don't like the results fine, but to imply anything else is ludicrous.

[LondonRingRules]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

what the fcuk is your problem?

** Apparently the thin skin and bad hair you woke up with on this luverly sunshiny morn.

No problems whatsoever with either the Ibro rankings or BS rankings. They are what they are.

[Hawkins]

Originally Posted by LondonRingRules

** Apparently the thin skin and bad hair you woke up with on this luverly sunshiny morn.

No problems whatsoever with either the Ibro rankings or BS rankings. They are what they are.

Just because you don't have the knowledge or competence to make a list, other than the abomination you put forth, you go on the offensive and make some kind of accusations?

Tomorrow morning be sure and pop an extra prozac, and a couple of B12s, while you're drinking your prune juice because your anger disorder and senility are starting to show.

[LondonRingRules]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

Just because you don't have the knowledge or competence to make a list, other than the abomination you put forth, you go on the offensive and make some kind of accusations?

Tomorrow morning be sure and pop an extra prozac, and a couple of B12s, while you're drinking your prune juice because your anger disorder and senility are starting to show.

** My, my, I give you props and that's accusations eh?

Well, my young friend, time to get a grip. Prune juice in the AM much better for the disposition and constitution than the bile you keep heaving forth for reingestion.

At any rate I prefer a cold beer with my breakfast tacos.

Cheerio now............

[Hawkins]

Originally Posted by LondonRingRules

** My, my, I give you props and that's accusations eh?

Well, my young friend, time to get a grip. Prune juice in the AM much better for the disposition and constitution than the bile you keep heaving forth for reingestion.

At any rate I prefer a cold beer with my breakfast tacos.

Cheerio now............

Originally Posted by LondonRingRules

BS is relying upon your unimpeachable character as well as your unassailable competency............

this is props? excuse me if I mistook it for the customary LRR veiled sarcasm used as a roundabout personal attack.