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Old 04-13-2009, 02:47 PM
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This is what the great Jack Johnson had to say about a young Joe Louis

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''Louis was a slow footed manufactured boxer and a sucker for the right, with Poor Craftsmanship and Marked Mechanical Flaws''
Johnson seems very bitter toward Louis. This could be due to the fact that Johnson wanted to train Louis, but Louis was instead trained by former fighter Jackie Blackburn.

Jackie Blackburn and Johnson had a dislike for each other. Blackburn blamed Johnson for the way Blacks were treated in that era, and that fellow black people had to pay for his sins.

Jack Johnson also had a hatered for Blackburn aswell.






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Old 04-13-2009, 02:54 PM
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This is what the great Jack Johnson had to say about a young Joe Louis

''Louis was a slow footed manufactured boxer and a sucker for the right, with Poor Craftsmanship and Marked Mechanical Flaws''

Johnson seems very bitter toward Louis. This could be due to the fact that Johnson wanted to train Louis, but Louis was instead trained by former fighter Jackie Blackburn.

Jackie Blackburn and Johnson had a dislike for each other. Blackburn blamed Johnson for the way Blacks were treated in that era, and that fellow black people had to pay for his sins.

Jack Johnson also had a hatered for Blackburn aswell.





I think that Johnson wasn't afraid to be himself in a time when it wasn't so cool to do so as a black man. Louis was a beast in the ring but wasn't able to be himself because of fear that the white public wouldn't except him.
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Jack Johnson was the advisor of number 7 ranked heavyweight contender named Leroy Haynes who fought some of the best contenders in his time and twice knocked out former heavyweight champion Primo Carnera.





I believe he also gave advice to Max Schmeling who went onto beat Joe Louis in 1936.

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"You know, boy, the heavyweight division for a Negro is hardly likely. The white man ain't too keen on it. You have to be something to go anywhere. If you really ain't gonna be another Jack Johnson, you got some hope. White man hasn't forgotten that fool n***** with his white women, acting like he owned the world."
-Jack Blackburn

Blackburn was quite bitter for never receiving a title shot himself. None of the black heavyweights he trained, including George Godfrey and Jersey Joe Walcott, were given a shot either.

That was until Joe Louis of course.

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Johnson also said "He's not a very bright man"
Past champs always seem to dislike the next generation, Joe Louis was the same way with Ali and Holmes is the same way about Tyson & Holyfield and everyone else for that matter.
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Johnson also said "He's not a very bright man"
Past champs always seem to dislike the next generation, Joe Louis was the same way with Ali and Holmes is the same way about Tyson & Holyfield and everyone else for that matter.
Unless Johnson made another remark about it, but i belive Gene Tunney made the remark of Joe Louis not being a bright boy here's his exact words ''Not a very bright boy'' said Tunney
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Jack Johnson was the advisor of number 7 ranked heavyweight contender named Leroy Haynes who fought some of the best contenders in his time and twice knocked out former heavyweight champion Primo Carnera.





I believe he also gave advice to Max Schmeling who went onto beat Joe Louis in 1936.



-Jack Blackburn

Blackburn was quite bitter for never receiving a title shot himself. None of the black heavyweights he trained, including George Godfrey and Jersey Joe Walcott, were given a shot either.

That was until Joe Louis of course.
Indeed, Johnson was the advisor for Leroy Haynes. Haynes was a decent fighter in his prime who twice knocked out former World Heavyweight Champion Primo Carnera. He done it in the same year 1936.

Haynes never fought for the title. The Carnera wins were his best wins, in other big fights he would twice be beaten on UD by Maxie Rosenbloom who he had alot of weight on. Hard punching slugger Tony Galento also knocked him out in 3 rounds in 1937.

He retired with a 69 fight record wining 45, losing 20, drawing 4, and he knocked out 35 and was was knocked out 6 times himslef.

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damn jack had an alien cranium lol.....

johnson went to 2 of louis training camps until he was kicked out.....allegedly blackburn got the best of him in a sparring session before joe was born and they couldnt let it go......also jack didnt like how louis acted like a coward in public........alot of people got mad that jack predicted schmelling would beat louis.....i believe he did finally give louis credit years later but im not sure of that
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Johnson also said "He's not a very bright man"
Past champs always seem to dislike the next generation, Joe Louis was the same way with Ali and Holmes is the same way about Tyson & Holyfield and everyone else for that matter.
Some seem to be, but not all. George Foreman claims that Lennox Lewis is the best heavyweight of all time, and said this while Lennox was still a active fighter.
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Everything Jack Johnson said about Louis was 100% correct, so what is the problem here lads.
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Blackburn was lean and lanky, quick, and clever, and knew how to fight; He possessed fast hands, a careful yet aggressive style, and utilized a lethal jab accompanied by a snapping left hook; Jack often fought bigger and heavier men and more than held his own; He claimed to have had nearly 400 bouts in his career

Blackburn fought many outstanding men of boxing and despite a size disadvantage (in many bouts) gave them all they could handle; Among them were Joe Gans (3 times), Sam Langford (6 times), George Cole (3 times), Larry Temple (2 times), Dave Holly (5 times), George Gunther (10 times), "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien, Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Harry Greb, Joe Borrell (2 times), Kid Norfolk, and Panama" Joe Gans

Among those he defeated during his career were Steve Crosby, Howard Wilson, Vernon Campbell, Jimmy Gardner, Harry Lenny, Charles Hitte, Joe Grim, Cy Flynn, Jack Williams, George Gunther, Cleve Hawkins, George Cole, Herman Miller, Fred Bradley, Jim Barry, Harry Lewis, Mike Donovan, Jack Bonner, Terry Martin, Tony Caponi, Harry Mansfield, Tommy Howell, and Henry Hauber
After he retired from the ring, Blackburn trained fighters -- among them were Sammy Mandell, Charles "Bud" Taylor, and Jersey Joe Walcott (briefly); He is most famous for instructing the "Brown Bomber, " Joe Louis, in the finer points of pugilism

Charley Rose ranked Blackburn as the #3 All-Time Lightweight; In 1992, he was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his work as a trainer.
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/blackburn.htm

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Bio On Blackburn
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Stanley Ketchel was said that Jackie Blackburn dosen't feel pain, and was belived to of backed out of a fight with him.

Blackburn was also a Alcoholic.

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