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Old 04-02-2009, 06:19 PM
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I never argued there was barely any.. infact, our police force is socialized, some of our utilities, our fire departments, schools, social security etc. Anyway, the only joke here is you. You are pathetic, you think you "own" people in arguments when you just make yourself look like the know it all fool. I forget who you where arguing with the other day, but I read the entire conversation and you where claiming victory when you had hardly won the argument at all. course, you just read and hear what you like and the rest just goes right over your head.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:21 PM
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Why would Putin say that then.. Just about every country in the world is interferring with ''the free market'' .. Governments helping their banks and so on.. Even using John Keynes ideas to try and regulate and boom their economy.. It isn't really a matter of becoming increasingly to the left or right.. It's a matter of getting out of a crisis.. and for that to happen, most economists wouldn't advice a pure capitalistic approach
Putin wasn't concerned over the interference of the "free-market" more so than being concerned over the regulation of private enterprise which would lead to an uncompetitive economy. And many governments haven't gone to the extent of giving as much money to their banks as the U.S. has. Not only have some of the banks taken advantage of the bail-out money by paying their executives higher bonuses, but there's never any accountability mainly for their lavish spending to begin with.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:25 PM
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I never argued there was barely any.. infact, our police force is socialized, some of our utilities, our fire departments, schools, social security etc. Anyway, the only joke here is you. You are pathetic, you think you "own" people in arguments when you just make yourself look like the know it all fool. I forget who you where arguing with the other day, but I read the entire conversation and you where claiming victory when you had hardly won the argument at all. course, you just read and hear what you like and the rest just goes right over your head.
In the other discussion about the economy, you said that there are only "sprinkles" of socialism yet here you are NOW saying that there's a balance of both capitalism and socialism. Don't believe me? I'll even find that post and post it here for everyone to see. Stop flip-flopping and changing your response whenever you know you sound like an idiot.

The first thing you said when you came into my thread was an insult. You didn't even attempt to argue the thread topic you immediately insulted me without even explaining yourself. That's how I know you're pathetic and how you don't want anything to do with a real discussion.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:26 PM
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You should be commended for being enlightened. Again, we've all been lied to. The new administration (notice, not JUST Obama) and their new methods and agendas seem good on paper and may work in the short term, however these ideas go against ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY! Socialism has not, nor will never work, its just against human nature. And when an ex-KGB assasin who used to kill for Socialism tells you not be be socialist, I don't think he's really lying. We need capitalism because it is competition which advances our standards of living, the very foundation of America! Of course, there must be rules and regulations, this is not the Wild West, however if America wants to stay afloat we must keep our ideals. Why do you think Cubans swim a hundred miles risking death to come here?

Socialist ideals are a known recipe for failure. I dislike politics in general as I have said in other threads but I do believe in some governmental control on the state level only. The central government having too much control is a bad thing and will only lead to corruption (more so than exists already) as too much concentrated power is cancerous. Big business is to blame for this country's debt but it's the CEO's that are responsible for this crap and I believe Obama has some of these clowns working for him now. I thought that I read somewhere that one or more of his advisers or whatever were former CEO's of Fannie Mae or something; if this is true, this is very disconcerting.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:34 PM
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:49 PM
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In the other discussion about the economy, you said that there are only "sprinkles" of socialism yet here you are NOW saying that there's a balance of both capitalism and socialism. Don't believe me? I'll even find that post and post it here for everyone to see. Stop flip-flopping and changing your response whenever you know you sound like an idiot.

The first thing you said when you came into my thread was an insult. You didn't even attempt to argue the thread topic you immediately insulted me without even explaining yourself. That's how I know you're pathetic and how you don't want anything to do with a real discussion.
please, by all means do.. you'll never find it, why?
because I never said it.
you must have me mixed up with someone else..
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:51 PM
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I don't like the way Obama dismissed the idea of legalizing marijuana out of hand and denegrated the online viewers who suggested the question...
it would be death con 3 with the conservative block if he would have said he was in favor of it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:55 PM
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I don't like the way Obama dismissed the idea of legalizing marijuana out of hand and denegrated the online viewers who suggested the question...
It is a joke, the "war on drugs" that is. Over 90+% of all "drug users" solely use marijuana, the least lethal drug in the world- prescription pills (that can be regulated to generate revenue for the gov) can kill anyone who takes a few more pills than they are supposed to. If they legalized marijuana, people would just buy it at the store and the gov could tax it like anything else and save 400 billion dollars each year!
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With the new Obama administration's left leaning policies, some citizens say that the U.S. is slowly turning to socialist ideals in a time of economic crisis. With the abandonment of the free-market principles (even by the Bush Administration) and the billions of dollars of bailouts to banks and the auto industry, some say the shift away from capitalism is becoming slowly evident. Some nations have even warned the U.S. not to move too far left such as Vladamir Putin who reminded them of the negative turns that the former Soviet Union took.

Not only are pro-capitalists (citizens) concerned over the amount of regulation by the government but they're also concerned over the amount of control by the government over private enterprise (with GM being the recent one in the news). Do you agree or disagree that the U.S. is moving away from capitalism and turning to socialism? If you agree, do you think it's a positive or negative turn? If you disagree then how do you account for all the government regulation that is contrary to capitalist principles.

....Certain things had to be done but IMO this administration is using the crisis as an excuse to send us down that socialism path for sure. Just look at all of the pork programs and the special interest **** slipped into the bailout bill that will completely change how things are run in this country. Bush was involved in a few socialist leaning decisions but Obama is making it his goal IMO. We are now Canada and the principles that founded this country are being trampled on.
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Socialist ideals are a known recipe for failure. I dislike politics in general as I have said in other threads but I do believe in some governmental control on the state level only. The central government having too much control is a bad thing and will only lead to corruption (more so than exists already) as too much concentrated power is cancerous. Big business is to blame for this country's debt but it's the CEO's that are responsible for this crap and I believe Obama has some of these clowns working for him now. I thought that I read somewhere that one or more of his advisers or whatever were former CEO's of Fannie Mae or something; if this is true, this is very disconcerting.
We've tried giving the states a lot of power, it didn't work out.

We can go on and on about the ties between federal government and big business, AIG even made huge contributions to Obama. This "holier than thou" idea that the liberal media has put into our heads is all a lie. The Dems are just as, if not more corrupt than the GOP. And why's that? The majority of big business, and big media for that matter, is ran by Democrats.
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