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Old 11-11-2004, 01:28 PM
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Default Who was better?Tyson or Holyfield?

Both men were great fighters with impressive undefeated streaks.

Holyfield's undefeated streak 1984-1992:

28-0 (22) overall
10-0 (7) in World title fights
11-0 (7) vs. World Champions
4-0 (1) vs. Hall of Famers fighters (Qawi x2, Foreman, and Holmes)

Tyson's undefeated streak 1984-1990:

37-0 (33) overall
10-0 (8) in World title fights
9-0 (7) vs. World Champions
2-0 (2) vs. Hall of Fame fighters (Holmes and M. Spinks)

Let's see who they beat during these streaks.

Holyfield-

The World champions-

Tyrone Booze W8 (WBO CW champ)
Dwight Qawi x2 W15 and KO4 (WBC LHW and WBA CW champ)
Ossie Ocasio KO11 KO3 (IBF CW champ)
Ricky Parkey KO3 (IBF CW champ)
Carlos DeLeon KO8 (WBC CW champ)
Pinklon Thomas KO7 (WBC HW champ)
Michael Dokes KO10 (WBA HW champ)
James Douglas KO3 (Lineal HW champ)
George Foreman W12 (2x Lineal HW champ)
Larry Holmes (Lineal HW champ)

The World title challengers-

Anthony Davis KO4
Henry Tillman KO7
James Tillis KO5
Bert Cooper KO7

Some of the other guys-

Jesse Shelby KO3
Adilson Rodrigues KO2
Alex Stewart KO8

Tyson-

The World champs-

Alfonso Ratliff KO2 (WBC CW champ)
Trevor Berbick KO2 (WBC HW champ)
James Smith W12 (WBA HW champ)
Pinklon Thomas KO6 (WBC HW champ)
Tony Tucker W12 (IBF HW champ)
Larry Holmes KO4 (Lineal HW champ)
Tony Tubbs KO2 (WBA HW champ)
Michael Spinks KO1 (Lineal LHW and HW champ)
Frank Bruno KO5 (WBC HW champ)

The World title challengers-

Jesse Ferguson KO6
James Tillis W10
Marvis Frazier KO1
Tyrell Biggs KO7
Carl Williams KO1

Some of the other guys-

Reggie Gross KO1
Jose Ribalta KO10

Both records look very good.

Let's see what they did after their first loss.

Holyfield-

10-7-2 (3) overall and 6-5 (2) in World title fights. Two of the losses are by KO. He beat 3 of the 6 men that beat him, he drew with another.

Tyson-

13-5 (11) 2NC overall and 2-4 (2) in World title fights. Four of the losses are by KO. He has no wins over any of the men that beat him.

What's your opinion my friends?
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:44 PM
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Lb4lb....Holyfield is much better than Tyson.
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Old 11-11-2004, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Prorock
Both men were great fighters with impressive undefeated streaks.

Holyfield's undefeated streak 1984-1992:

28-0 (22) overall
10-0 (7) in World title fights
11-0 (7) vs. World Champions
4-0 (1) vs. Hall of Famers fighters (Qawi x2, Foreman, and Holmes)

Tyson's undefeated streak 1984-1990:

37-0 (33) overall
10-0 (8) in World title fights
9-0 (7) vs. World Champions
2-0 (2) vs. Hall of Fame fighters (Holmes and M. Spinks)

Let's see who they beat during these streaks.

Holyfield-

The World champions-

Tyrone Booze W8 (WBO CW champ)
Dwight Qawi x2 W15 and KO4 (WBC LHW and WBA CW champ)
Ossie Ocasio KO11 KO3 (IBF CW champ)
Ricky Parkey KO3 (IBF CW champ)
Carlos DeLeon KO8 (WBC CW champ)
Pinklon Thomas KO7 (WBC HW champ)
Michael Dokes KO10 (WBA HW champ)
James Douglas KO3 (Lineal HW champ)
George Foreman W12 (2x Lineal HW champ)
Larry Holmes (Lineal HW champ)

The World title challengers-

Anthony Davis KO4
Henry Tillman KO7
James Tillis KO5
Bert Cooper KO7

Some of the other guys-

Jesse Shelby KO3
Adilson Rodrigues KO2
Alex Stewart KO8

Tyson-

The World champs-

Alfonso Ratliff KO2 (WBC CW champ)
Trevor Berbick KO2 (WBC HW champ)
James Smith W12 (WBA HW champ)
Pinklon Thomas KO6 (WBC HW champ)
Tony Tucker W12 (IBF HW champ)
Larry Holmes KO4 (Lineal HW champ)
Tony Tubbs KO2 (WBA HW champ)
Michael Spinks KO1 (Lineal LHW and HW champ)
Frank Bruno KO5 (WBC HW champ)

The World title challengers-

Jesse Ferguson KO6
James Tillis W10
Marvis Frazier KO1
Tyrell Biggs KO7
Carl Williams KO1

Some of the other guys-

Reggie Gross KO1
Jose Ribalta KO10

Both records look very good.

Let's see what they did after their first loss.

Holyfield-

10-7-2 (3) overall and 6-5 (2) in World title fights. Two of the losses are by KO. He beat 3 of the 6 men that beat him, he drew with another.

Tyson-

13-5 (11) 2NC overall and 2-4 (2) in World title fights. Four of the losses are by KO. He has no wins over any of the men that beat him.

What's your opinion my friends?
**** me you've researched that ****. respect
holyfield is the better fighter
but tyson will always be the bigger name
both will get to canastota when the time comes.
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Old 11-11-2004, 04:02 PM
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Lb4lb....Holyfield is much better than Tyson.
Agreed!!!!!
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Old 11-11-2004, 05:02 PM
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Very nice, Prorock. Very nice.
On a paper career of Holyfield is looked better, than career of the Tyson.
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Old 11-12-2004, 02:51 AM
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It's hard to say who's better between these two greats. But I would say, it's Tyson. Because most fight fans like to see his fights whether they like him or not.
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Old 11-12-2004, 03:17 AM
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holyfield, easy. also lets not forget Holy KO'd mike in a easy win. and i really hope no one says Mike was old, because holy is older.
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Old 11-14-2004, 01:24 PM
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Prorock, great analysis backed up with facts. My answer to that

question is mostly subjective. Mike Tyson had "awe inspiring

appeal," Holyfield did not. Early to middle of his career, Mike

Tyson basically knocked everyone out who faced him. In addition,

those knockouts were incredibly entertaining (Holmes,Thomas,

Berbick,Frasier,Spinks,etc.) When Mike Tyson finally lost to

Douglas it was front page news. People cared about and followed

heavyweight boxing in the 80s and 90s because of him. Holyfield

on the other hand, although fighting some memorable fights

(Douglas,Foreman,Bowe) never had the star power and "awe

inspiring appeal" like Mike Tyson. When Holyfield lost for the

first time it wasn't a really big deal. And also, many of Holy

fields fights don't end with an exciting Ko like most of Tyson's

whether it be him or his oppenent.
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:36 PM
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Holyfield without a dout, although Tyson is IMO known more around the world, hell who doesnt know who Tyson is?
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Old 11-14-2004, 07:30 PM
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Overall Holyfield, but Tyson wins in two categories and that is punching power and speed.
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