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  • ggurtin
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    Rating and Examining the Sanctioning Bodies

    While I agree that boxing could use 1 champion, I decided to take some time to see how the Sanctioning bodies are doing relative to each other. I put a lot of thought into these rankings and am curious to see how you guys respond. I will go division by division for each organization to make my point.

    1) World Boxing Organization

    While the WBO is in no way perfect, it is currently the best of the Sanctioning Bodies, its mandatories have been solid and entertaining, and their champs have been able to keep their belts.

    Heavyweight
    Champ: Wladimir Klitschko
    Their rankings actually make sense at heavyweight with Dimitrenko as the top contender followed by Haye,Arreola,and Povetkin--all fights people want to see. Good to see they are recovering from their mismandatory of Tony Thompson. As can be seen, their champ is the #1 heavyweight.

    Cruiserweight
    Interim Champ: Victor Ramirez
    Ramirez will fight Maccarilnelli for the vacant title in March. The interim bout was not as ****** as some make it out to be as the WBO was allowing #2 contender Alexander Alexseev to fight while #1 Jonathan Banks may not be interested in fighting for the WBO crown. #7 Ramirez turned out to be a game contender and won the belt.

    Light Heavyweight
    Champ:Zsolt Erdei

    Erdei has had to fight no one, which is sad, but he is the lineal champ. Their ratings make some sense w/ Hopkins at 1 and Johnson at 3. #2 Kuziemski is their Continental Champion, and he may be solid as they have a nice track record of finding good European fighters no one has heard of.

    Super Middleweight
    Champ: Karoly Balzsay
    Balzsay fought Inkin in what was a solid fight for their interim belt. Balzsay appears to be one of the best super-middleweights in the world and props to the WBO for finding him for the fight. Their rankings follow with the next best 3 guys Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, and Jermain Taylor. Good job here

    Middleweight
    Champ:Kelly Pavlik
    Another solid champion. #1 Sebastian Zbik(25-0 9 KOs) has some impressive wins(wide UDs) against some okay competition and is their intercontinental champ. Duddy is #2,Rubio #3

    Jr. Middleweight
    Champ:Sergeii Dzinziruk
    Interim:Paul Williams
    The #1 and #2 Jr Middleweights in the world are WBO champs. Making Paul Williams interim champ is deserving because he was their 147 champ and no one would fight him. Angulo is the #1 contender followed by Lukas Konecny(Lost a close decision to the champ), Kirkland and Joe Greene

    Welterweight
    The best welterweight contender Miguel Cotto fights #3 Michael Jennings for the vacant belt. It isnt as bad as it seems. Behind #2 Mosley,Collazo,and Cintron who were all locked up in other engagements, there isnt much to separate the contenders at WW.Soto Karaas,Jackiewicz,and Decaire are rightfully 4,5,and 6. Collazo should be higher than 10!

    Jr Welterweight
    Champ:Kendall Holt
    They treated us to the 2 exciting Holt-Torres matches and Holt will fight Bradley for the belt in April. Hatton is rated #1 correctly. #2 Willy Blain (20-0 3 KOs) is the Intercontinental champ who has faced solid competition. Lamaont Peterson, Victor Ortiz and AlexDeJesus follow. Witter and Devon Alexander rated too low.

    Lightweight
    Champ:Nate Campbell
    Great champ. Barrera may be too high at #1 but they have Juan Manuel Marquez at #2. Following Marquez their rankings seem solid(Juan Diaz,Anthony Peterson,Funeka,Katsidis,Prescott,Guzman,Khan).

    Jr Lightweight
    Champ:Nicky Cook
    Putting on a great fight with undefeated Roman Martinez March 14th. Doing a great job there

    Featherweight
    Champ:Steve Luevano
    Solid champ. Santiago should be higher than #7. Rankings look okay in a shallow division behind the champs.

    Jr Bantamweight
    Champ:Juanma Lopez
    Top 3 look good(Marquez,Ponce De Leon,Conception). Gonzalez nowhere to be seen? Overall solid job here

    (Will not comment below 122)

    Great group of champs, no fighters have been forced to vacate to take a solid fight, and as bad as the sanctioning bodies have been, the WBO appears to be doing a very good job. I can acknowledge any WBO championship as solid, now lets see Erdei fight someone and press the issue of Williams fighting the champ or strip him. That fight should be happening in April.

    #2 WBC

    The WBC has some solid champs and has put together a few good championship fights, but puts collecting sanctioning fees a bit too high on its priority list. Berto recieved the Welterweight title against a nobody and Masakev somehow got a title shot. Its champs and rankings are better than the IBF, putting it at #2.

    Heavyweight
    Champ:Vitali Klitschko
    Organization nicely required Peter to fight Klitschko for the belt. Now it has 2 questionable mandatories lined up(Carlos Gomez,Masakev) that take away from whatever positive was done earlier.

    Cruiserweight
    Champ:Giacobbe Fragomeni
    Earned title in a solid fight with an undefeated Kraj. Ratings below seem reasonable.

    Light-Heavyweight
    Champ:Adrian Diaconu
    Put on a solid title fight w/ Henry, but should not have stripped Dawson of the title before a unification w/ Tarver. The fight w/ Henry should have been for the interim title instead. After Silvio Branco, the WBC will give Glen Johnson a title fight he deserves.

    Super Middleweight
    Champ:Carl Froch
    Put on a fight of the year candidate for the vacant title and have Jermain Taylor as the #1 contender. Everything in this weight class looks good, especially is Dirrell becomes the #1 contender after Taylor does not take the fight.

    Middleweight
    Champ:Kelly Pavlik
    #1 MW is their champion. Requiring a solid mandatory w/ Rubio and ratings below make sense

    Jr Middleweight
    Champ:Vernon Forrest
    Interim Champ:Sergio Martinez
    Martinez proved to be worthy of the title vs Buenma and it appears that Forrest will never actually fight Sergio so they may as well strip him. Rankings arent awful and Angulo and Mayorga will fight to be the mandatory on February 14th.

    Welterweight
    Champ:Andre Berto
    Put on a solid title fight w/ Collazo, making up for the nothing opponent Berto fought for the vacant title. Rankings below Collazo look good

    Jr Welterweight
    Champ:Timothy Bradley
    Solid champ and the organization is doing the right thing by allowing him to unify w/ Holt. He will face the winner of a solid interim title bout of #1 Devon Alexander and #2 Junior Witter

    Lightweight
    #1 Edwin Valero will fight #2 Antonio Pitalua for the title. All looks good here.

    Jr Lightweight
    Good champ in Humberto Soto. Rankings in this division are much better than the IBF and WBA.

    Featherweight
    Champ:Oscar Larios
    Rankings look good below Larios, every thing is solid here.

    Jr Bantamweight
    Question the stripping for Vazquez to champ emeritus, but the rankings look fine.

    #3 International Boxing Federation

    The IBF has some solid champions and a good system for choosing mandatories. This system allowed Librado Andrade and Nate Campbell to deservingly fight for titles and Povetkin to be #1 of the heavyweights. However, the IBF has poorly stripped titles(Malinaggi for fighting Hatton, Margarito for fighting Cotto, and Phillips for fighting Williams). Its rules are great, but in certain cases, they have to be able to adjust their rankings and push back mandatories for a better fight. If it could correct the above issue, it could move to #2.

    Heavyweight
    Champ:Wladimir Kiltschko
    #1 Heavyweight in the world is their champ. Povetkin and Arreola earned 1 and 2 ratings in eliminators. Dimitrenko at #3

    Cruiserweight
    Champ:Tomasz Adamek
    Also Ring and lineal champ. Flores, Huck, and Wlodarczyk held spots behind Adamek which makes sense.

    Light Heavyweight
    Champ:Chad Dawson
    Best of the 4 light-heavy champs. Cloud received #1 spot in eliminator. Woods,Tarver,Johnson, and Chris Henry follow.

    Super Middleweight
    Champ:Lucian Bute
    Set up a good mandatory for Bute w/ Andrade who will fight again in an eliminator. Berrio recieves questionably high ranking.

    Middleweight
    Champ:Arthur Abraham
    King Arthur has proved worthy of being called a champion. Havent heard of any one of their contenders, but there arent many of note at 160. Gevor at #3 makes some sense

    Jr. Middleweight
    Can't figure out how Williams-Phillips is less deserving of the title than Spinks(who lost to Phillips)-Latimore. Ratings are solid though.

    Welterweight
    Correctly gave Colttey a title shot, but it should have been against Margarito after the Cotto fight instead of against Judah. How Hlatshwayo gets a mandatory I do not understand. Cintron backed out! Force Hlatshwayo to fight his rematch before he fights Clottey as mandatory!

    Jr Welterweight
    Another small mess. Pretty poor rankings and making Malignaggi vacate for a Hatton fight is ridiculous in favor of Urango(who lost to Hatton)-Nduojo(who lost to Malignaggi). Can someone explain that?

    Lightweight
    Champ:Nate Campbell
    Correctly made Campbell mandatory and put together an interesting defense w/ Funeka. Rankings make some sense, but not as good as WBO.

    Jr Lightweight
    Champ:Cassius Baloyi
    Havent seen him but he is rated #1 by boxrec. 130 is a very shallow division.

    Featherweight
    Champ:Cristobal Cruz
    Interesting no name title fight w/ Salido. I have seen better.

    Super Bantamweight
    Champ: Celestino Caballero
    Good champ but we will see if #1 contender Jeffery Mathebula is worthy of the fight. Appears to be a ridiculous mismandatory.

    The IBF is slightly better than the WBC because it has no super champs. However, its stripping of titles has been highly questionable, and it could occasionally use an interim title. It also seems to favor South Africans for whatever reason. Mathebula and Hlatshwayo do not deserve to be mandatories.

    Continued on 2nd post below
  • ggurtin
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    #2
    #4 IBO

    The IBO has a solid computer ranking system and some great champs which puts it ahead of the WBA. In fact, one could argue it has the best ranking system.

    Solid champs
    Heavyweight:Wladimir Klitschko
    Cruiserweight:Jonathan Banks
    Light-Heavyweight:Chad Dawson
    Super Middleweight:Sakio Bika
    Welterweight:Shane Mosley(as of last night)
    Jr Welterweight:Ricky Hatton
    Lightweight:Juan Diaz
    Flyweight:Nonito Donaire

    #5 WBA

    The WBA is a complete joke. Boxers should follow Nate Campbell's lead and vacate this title. From the bad Valuev decision to some very questionable champions, to having "super champs", to allowing Guzman to have a title eliminator after failing to make weight, this organization is a as bad as it gets. Their solid champs are given horrible mandatories which defeats the purpose.

    Heavyweight
    Champ:Nikolai Valuev/Ruslan Chagev
    #1 and #2 contenders:Kali Meehan and Taras *****ko
    need I say more?

    Cruiserweight
    Champ:Guillermo Jones
    Champ looks good
    Top 3 contenders:Valery Brudov,Grigory Drozd,Wayne Braithwaite

    Light-Heavweight
    Champ:Hugo Garay
    The WBA actually put on a solid fight with Brahmer. This division is not as bad as the rest, Vyacheslav Uzelkov is somewhat deserving at #2.

    Super Middleweight
    Champ:Mikkel Kessler
    Top 3 Contenders:Gusmyl Perdoma,Stjepan Bozic,Karo Murat
    Im killing to see Kessler fight those guys. Remind me of his last mandatory again?

    Middleweight
    Champ:Felix Sturm
    His fight with Sylvester was actually solid, and Mundine and Zbik are good contenders. Rare exception here.

    Jr Middleweight
    Champaniel Santos
    Another solid champion. Solid rankings here (Kirkland,Foreman,Alcine,Mayorga,Angulo).

    Welterweight
    Super Champ:Shane Mosley
    Champ:Yuri Nuzhnenko

    This division would be okay if there wasn't a super champ w/ one title and a random champ collecting sanctioning fees.
    Oh yeah, and this guy is rated #2 http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...2881&cat=boxer

    Jr Welterweight
    Champ:Andreas Kotelnik
    Actually have solid rankings and a decent champ. Maidana is a nice mandatory who hasnt fought anyone. A good fight, but not a world championship in my opinion

    Lightweight
    Champ:Paulus Moses
    I actually look forward to watching Guzman-Moses. Good shobox main event:yes world title worthy fight:no
    The IBO put on a better title fight in Katsidis-Diaz

    Jr Lightweight
    Champ:Jorge Linares
    Maybe the best champ at 130, but he did not work hard for it fighting Whyber Garcia.

    Featherweight
    Champ:Chris John
    Is he the best at 126? We wouldn't know because he has not had to fight anyone since beating Juan Manuel Marquez in a controversial decision in 2006.

    Super Bantamweight
    Super Champ:Celestino Caballero
    Champ:Ricardo Cordoba
    Cordoba actually deserves a rematch with Caballero, and that fight should happen. Maybe they can have it in their home country at WBA headquarters.

    In conclusion, the sanctioning bodies are not perfect, but some are much bette than others. The WBO separates itself from the pack while WBC and IBF would be fine w/ minor improvements. The WBA should go away completely and promoters need to have their fighters vacate that belt so their guys can be ranked by solid sanctioning bodies. They should also work to have a universal champion and if not, at least make it easier to unify.

    Thoughts...

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    • ggurtin
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      #3
      For the record, I know its a bit longwinded, but it is a good read, and a good discussion starter

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      • oc9979
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        #4
        great post

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        • oc9979
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          #5
          wba sucks how did margarito get to be the super champ

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          • MANGLER
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            #6
            Very insightful **** homey. They're all crooked, but I agree the WBO seems to be makin more of an effort to be cool than the others. the WBO has been gainin in recognition the past few yrs and is basically seen on the level as the other 3 by now, even tho it ain't been around as long. Speakin of which, I disagreed wit the IBO bein in the mix here since it' still just anotha minor title, even tho some name fighters have worn their belts. I notice a lotta people seem to favor the WBC a lot, but I can't stand em. Sulaiman is a greedy ****, and open scorin is ******ed. And yea, **** the WBA wit their super champ bull****. If they're gonna be cool and let their champs unify, great. You'd think that's done in an effort to help clear confusion, but they do it just to open up anothat title and collect an extra fee. IBF has been open to unifications in teh past, but tehn quick to strip fighters, which makes no sense. Very good post bro. K on the way.

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              #7
              Originally posted by mangler
              I disagreed wit the IBO bein in the mix here since it' still just anotha minor title
              I agree that its a minor title, but still better than the WBA, thats why its there

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                Originally posted by mangler
                **** the WBA wit their super champ bull****. If they're gonna be cool and let their champs unify, great. You'd think that's done in an effort to help clear confusion, but they do it just to open up anothat title and collect an extra fee.
                Agreed, personally I understand having an "interim" title for a unification to be possible(WBC is pushing back Bradley's mandatory) but not a super champ and regular champ to collect fees.

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                  Light Heavyweight
                  Champ:Zsolt Erdei

                  Erdei has had to fight no one, which is sad, but he is the lineal champ. Their ratings make some sense w/ Hopkins at 1 and Johnson at 3. #2 Kuziemski is their Continental Champion, and he may be solid as they have a nice track record of finding good European fighters no one has heard of.


                  I thought Calzaghe was lineal champion, he has have the ring belt

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                    Originally posted by Flawless.
                    Light Heavyweight
                    Champ:Zsolt Erdei

                    Erdei has had to fight no one, which is sad, but he is the lineal champ. Their ratings make some sense w/ Hopkins at 1 and Johnson at 3. #2 Kuziemski is their Continental Champion, and he may be solid as they have a nice track record of finding good European fighters no one has heard of.


                    I thought Calzaghe was lineal champion, he has have the ring belt

                    It's a shame Zsolt is the lineal champ. Lineal champ means nothing these days.
                    Zsolt is making great money in Germany without having to face guys even in the top 10 overall.

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