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Duran got beat by everyone on here. Leonard beat everyone on here.
2nd.Ray is a welter,, Hagler is a natural hmmm middle
Did pac-man move up and beat good fighters
did Roy Jones move up
Did mosley move up
Did DLH move up
Did Robinson Move up
did Armstrong move up
did Langford move up
did Hearns move up
did arguello move up
In fact who did nt move up....
So the point is, Duran move up like everyone else has, and he simply kept on getting his ass kicked, unlike most other fighters. Not only did he get his ass kicked by legends but also people like Dejesus, and Laing..All before the age of 34.
Who at lightweight that Duran beat was so great that Bert Sugar, Espn, or the ring magazine has thought highly enough of this fighter to rank them in their top 100 (bert sugar) top 50(espn) top 80 (the ring).
So what that says is Duran had a long lightwieght career in which he beat a lof bums, and at best several decent to good fighters. His only GREAT WIN vs a fighter that is considered a all time top pound per pound fighter was win over Sugar Ray leoanrd. A fight in which leonard CHOSE not to use his boxing skills, and Duran still only won by 1 round. 1 round reversed Duran loses. You bring up how duran should be given kudos for avenging his lose to Dejesus, then what about Leoanrd. It is the same isn't it?
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Duran lost his 1st fight after only 4 years..unlike the myth you all try to portry that he had all these fights before he lost anything. He was 31-0. Compare that too Roy Jones who went 15 years, with our losing a fight (except for DQ), and roy moved up just like Duran did. He moved up and fought James toney, who may not be a Sugar Ray leoanrd, but James toney at the time was regarded as the pound per pound best in the world. He was 44-0-2, had many great test under his belt, compare that to Sugar Ray at the time who was relativly green with only his fight vs Benetiz.
Toney had stopped nunn, and Barkley (this guy you all harp on is soo good that duran beat), beat mcCallum, littles,,,Roy beat this guy by 7pts on one card, 9 points on anther, and 11 points on the 3rd. Keep this in mind. Roy moved up to this seasoned peak Champion. Roy had not been seriouslyy tested yet. Toney is considered on almost every list as a top fighter all time pound per pound...and get this. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A FIGHTER THIS DOMINANT, PEAK, SEASONED, AND ROY HAVING MOVED UP TO HIM..... GET DOMINATED IN THIS WAY.. The fight was not close!
Has Duran ever had a performance against a top fighter he faced, like that. Hint his record vs fighters of this level is 1-5, and the one he won, if one round was reversed Duran lost....Ohh duran was at welter for 2years too by the time he faced Leoanrd, Roy jumped up to face toney. So again help me understand what Duran has done which puts him above Roy.
Duran did fight or win anything of consequence at 118 or 126. His weight class he did almost all his winning in was 135. You can try your best to say he went from 118-160, but the issue is where was he DOMINANT at, won titles at, and best the best at. That would be 135, 147... He did beat Moore and barkly at 154 and 160, but they were not the best. So you have a fighter that did what again...Compare that to Roy! What defenses did duran have at 147 or 154 or 160?
Lets examine this again..Roy at 160 beat Benard Hopkins not a shot Hopkins.either both where relativley young in their career, so Roy did not have any experience advantage here, and roy was supposed to pull out of this fight due to a fractured right hand. he didn't and he won..Duran quit before in a fight at age 29.
Roy beat at 168,,none other than James Toney. We already adddress toney..
Right there Roy has beaten 2 all time top fighers...Duran in his entire career he beat one, very closely and is only 1-2 vs that fighter
At 175, roy wins not a WBO, or ibf, or abc title he wins the WBC title. He also gets a dQ vs Griffith in his toughest test. A fight in which he had just dropped griffith (in route to a 10-8 round at least since there was time left). Griffith was a very good fighter. No i will not try make him out to be some legendary dominant fighter, like duran fans try to make marcel, Kyobashi, Buchanon in an attempt to bolster durans weak lightweight resume. However in the rematch, Roy ko'd him in 1 round. 1 ROUND!!!!! Roy then stops a top world class fighter and champion Hill with a body punch.. Roy then unfies the light heavyweight title.. and beats many champions and future champions...
At this point in his career he has had a long amateur career he had been a professional for 15 years, he has won titles in 3 divisions and has beaten 2 legends where he dominated them. He is still unbeaten by another fighter in the ring only a dq and he responded with a 1st round ko...There where no losses to fighters like Dejesus or laing. Roy is 33 years old. 50 fights.. No legit loses... Three titles in 3 different division where he did beat the best, and defended vs the best.
Now he steps up an additional 20 pounds to beat a heavyweight champion. Not the best but a legitmate heavyweight fighter who is the champion. He also is outweighed by 23 pounds at the official weigh in. Keep in mind this is in addition too the fact that roy had to add 18 pounds not 5, 10, or 13 but add 18 pounds to meet a man that he still is outweight by 23 pounds at the weight in. This fighter is not 33 yrs old, with a record of 38-4-1 Not great but he clearly is not a pushover at heavyweight. Roy not only outboxed him, but in several rounds he took the fight to him, giving and taking with this man. Roy easily wins this fight.
Roy at this time has won 4 titles, no one has ever came close to beating him except for the DQ that Roy had and avenged in 1 round. Roy is now 35 years old no loses, then he has to lose weight and do irreversable damage to his body by shedding not fat , but muscle to get back to 175. He barel pulls out the 1st fight with Tarver, but he clearly is not the roy we all know. We are talking about a man so supremly gifted that he played in a semi pro bball game,, flew back to the fight, and still whipped his opponent, never tired in a fight. Now all of a sudden he could not even move around the ring after 4 rounds, and still toughed it out to win the first fight. This was not roy and you never ever see roy again in the ring. He then gets his ass repeatedly kicked through out the rest of his career.
You tell me how Duran stacks up against that.....1-5 vs the best he ever faced, moved up just like Duran. I am only holding Duran to fights up to age 34. Duran never successfully defended, unified, any title above 135. Help me understand. I am not talking about Mayweather or Leonard here, I am tallking about Roy Jones..[/QUOTE]
2nd.Ray is a welter,, Hagler is a natural hmmm middle
Did pac-man move up and beat good fighters
did Roy Jones move up
Did mosley move up
Did DLH move up
Did Robinson Move up
did Armstrong move up
did Langford move up
did Hearns move up
did arguello move up
In fact who did nt move up....
So the point is, Duran move up like everyone else has, and he simply kept on getting his ass kicked, unlike most other fighters. Not only did he get his ass kicked by legends but also people like Dejesus, and Laing..All before the age of 34.
Who at lightweight that Duran beat was so great that Bert Sugar, Espn, or the ring magazine has thought highly enough of this fighter to rank them in their top 100 (bert sugar) top 50(espn) top 80 (the ring).
So what that says is Duran had a long lightwieght career in which he beat a lof bums, and at best several decent to good fighters. His only GREAT WIN vs a fighter that is considered a all time top pound per pound fighter was win over Sugar Ray leoanrd. A fight in which leonard CHOSE not to use his boxing skills, and Duran still only won by 1 round. 1 round reversed Duran loses. You bring up how duran should be given kudos for avenging his lose to Dejesus, then what about Leoanrd. It is the same isn't it?
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Duran lost his 1st fight after only 4 years..unlike the myth you all try to portry that he had all these fights before he lost anything. He was 31-0. Compare that too Roy Jones who went 15 years, with our losing a fight (except for DQ), and roy moved up just like Duran did. He moved up and fought James toney, who may not be a Sugar Ray leoanrd, but James toney at the time was regarded as the pound per pound best in the world. He was 44-0-2, had many great test under his belt, compare that to Sugar Ray at the time who was relativly green with only his fight vs Benetiz.
Toney had stopped nunn, and Barkley (this guy you all harp on is soo good that duran beat), beat mcCallum, littles,,,Roy beat this guy by 7pts on one card, 9 points on anther, and 11 points on the 3rd. Keep this in mind. Roy moved up to this seasoned peak Champion. Roy had not been seriouslyy tested yet. Toney is considered on almost every list as a top fighter all time pound per pound...and get this. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A FIGHTER THIS DOMINANT, PEAK, SEASONED, AND ROY HAVING MOVED UP TO HIM..... GET DOMINATED IN THIS WAY.. The fight was not close! Has Duran ever had a performance against a top fighter he faced, like that. Hint his record vs fighters of this level is 1-5, and the one he won, if one round was reversed Duran lost....Ohh duran was at welter for 2years too by the time he faced Leoanrd, Roy jumped up to face toney. So again help me understand what Duran has done which puts him above Roy.
Duran did fight or win anything of consequence at 118 or 126. His weight class he did almost all his winning in was 135. You can try your best to say he went from 118-160, but the issue is where was he DOMINANT at, won titles at, and best the best at. That would be 135, 147... He did beat Moore and barkly at 154 and 160, but they were not the best. So you have a fighter that did what again...Compare that to Roy! What defenses did duran have at 147 or 154 or 160?
Lets examine this again..Roy at 160 beat Benard Hopkins not a shot Hopkins.either both where relativley young in their career, so Roy did not have any experience advantage here, and roy was supposed to pull out of this fight due to a fractured right hand. he didn't and he won..Duran quit before in a fight at age 29.
Roy beat at 168,,none other than James Toney. We already adddress toney..
Right there Roy has beaten 2 all time top fighers...Duran in his entire career he beat one, very closely and is only 1-2 vs that fighter
At 175, roy wins not a WBO, or ibf, or abc title he wins the WBC title. He also gets a dQ vs Griffith in his toughest test. A fight in which he had just dropped griffith (in route to a 10-8 round at least since there was time left). Griffith was a very good fighter. No i will not try make him out to be some legendary dominant fighter, like duran fans try to make marcel, Kyobashi, Buchanon in an attempt to bolster durans weak lightweight resume. However in the rematch, Roy ko'd him in 1 round. 1 ROUND!!!!! Roy then stops a top world class fighter and champion Hill with a body punch.. Roy then unfies the light heavyweight title.. and beats many champions and future champions...
At this point in his career he has had a long amateur career he had been a professional for 15 years, he has won titles in 3 divisions and has beaten 2 legends where he dominated them. He is still unbeaten by another fighter in the ring only a dq and he responded with a 1st round ko...There where no losses to fighters like Dejesus or laing. Roy is 33 years old. 50 fights.. No legit loses... Three titles in 3 different division where he did beat the best, and defended vs the best.
Now he steps up an additional 20 pounds to beat a heavyweight champion. Not the best but a legitmate heavyweight fighter who is the champion. He also is outweighed by 23 pounds at the official weigh in. Keep in mind this is in addition too the fact that roy had to add 18 pounds not 5, 10, or 13 but add 18 pounds to meet a man that he still is outweight by 23 pounds at the weight in. This fighter is not 33 yrs old, with a record of 38-4-1 Not great but he clearly is not a pushover at heavyweight. Roy not only outboxed him, but in several rounds he took the fight to him, giving and taking with this man. Roy easily wins this fight.
Roy at this time has won 4 titles, no one has ever came close to beating him except for the DQ that Roy had and avenged in 1 round. Roy is now 35 years old no loses, then he has to lose weight and do irreversable damage to his body by shedding not fat , but muscle to get back to 175. He barel pulls out the 1st fight with Tarver, but he clearly is not the roy we all know. We are talking about a man so supremly gifted that he played in a semi pro bball game,, flew back to the fight, and still whipped his opponent, never tired in a fight. Now all of a sudden he could not even move around the ring after 4 rounds, and still toughed it out to win the first fight. This was not roy and you never ever see roy again in the ring. He then gets his ass repeatedly kicked through out the rest of his career.
You tell me how Duran stacks up against that.....1-5 vs the best he ever faced, moved up just like Duran. I am only holding Duran to fights up to age 34. Duran never successfully defended, unified, any title above 135. Help me understand. I am not talking about Mayweather or Leonard here, I am tallking about Roy Jones..[/QUOTE]
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