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Old 10-25-2008, 11:03 PM
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you beat me I was fixing to say the same thing. I couldn't name a single school or university in Canada.
When you think about American universities other than Ivy League what are you thinking about? Their academic record or their sports teams?
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:23 PM
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Here's what bugs me about socialism and wealth distribution. THE GOVERNMENT IS HORRIBLY INCOMPETENT. For every 100 dollars collected from taxes to help the poor 1 dollar actually gets into their pockets. We have spent more money on the war on poverty here in the United States than anybody can count for 30 years. And guess what. The percentage of people living in poverty hasn't gone down. Social Security is way over extended. And now there are some Democrats that want people to turn over their 401k's in exchange for an additional 600 dollars a month in their social security payment. Of course, when you die, the money is gone. No matter how much you actually pulled out.
And Joe Biden just said that big corporations that are in financial trouble. The "CEO's pensions are the first to go." That should scare the hell out of people. But it doesn't. Because people think they mean those other rich guys and gals. Imagine the government deciding that you don't deserve a retirement that you have negotiated in the private sector. It ****ing ludicrous. Notice Biden said the First to go. One thing I like about Biden is when he thinks he speaking to friendlies, he will speak his mind honestly. Look at how much he has divulged already.
I also want to take issue with the how "Greedy" our country is. We have given so much in disaster relief, aides relief, rebuilding efforts. No other country will ever touch us in how much we give to the rest of the planet. And to call us greedy? Better think about that one. But if we were completely socialized the rest of the world can forget about the United States coming to the rescue anymore. The budget will be far too tight. Our money making system of capitalism benefits the planet. Even though our economy is already considered a mixed economy, and has been for decades.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:29 PM
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When you think about American universities other than Ivy League what are you thinking about? Their academic record or their sports teams?
Both. People from all over the world come here to learn. Were the best regardless what the liberal-progressive movement says.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:31 PM
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Weren't the Nazis socialists?
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:37 PM
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Both. People from all over the world come here to learn. Were the best regardless what the liberal-progressive movement says.
But people who go to Nevada State or Iowa aren't drawn from around the world to go there because of their stellar academic record. You can't tell me that Kansas State or the University of Detroit are significantly better colleges than, say, the university of Waterloo or McMaster.

The Ivy League are well respected of course but for an undergraduate the first choice would always be Oxford or Cambridge.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:45 PM
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[QUOTE=squealpiggy;4238824]But people who go to Nevada State or Iowa aren't drawn from around the world to go there because of their stellar academic record. You can't tell me that Kansas State or the University of Detroit are significantly better colleges than, say, the university of Waterloo or McMaster.

There are a lot of foreigners that go to both Iowa and Iowa State. Iowa State is an excellent engineering and agricultural school. Iowa has a highly rated law and Medicine school.
I'll let somebody from Nevada or went to school there defend it.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:49 PM
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Sure I may get taxed more, but who cares? that money will go towards people who actually need it. .

Countries like Australia and Canada are not perfect, but then again we know if our lives do not go perfectly we will have the government there to support us. What would happen to your standard of living if you became a single parent at lets say 19 with a new born? Who would support you if your family had no money/disowned you?

There are so many positives that socialism can bring to the US, but you are so blinded by selfishness and greed that it will never happen. You will see how bad your system works in the coming years as your economy continues to crash and burn.

Wow, this is just brainwashed liberal babble at its worst. Do you actually think I'm going to give more of my hard earned money so that lazy ass irresponsible single mothers can wake up at noon, keep getting high and pregnant by many different men. Is it my responsability to help people that don't help themselves? I have no problem helping someone in need, I just have a big problem with government giving my hard earned money to people that don't deserve it.

The role of government is not to bail people out of their own created mistakes. Why skould I pay more taxes to bail out some idiot who chose not to use a condom. I planned when to have my kids and have never needed government handouts to take care of them. What ever happened to personal responsability?

Name one socialist country that is greater than the US?

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Old 10-25-2008, 11:53 PM
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But people who go to Nevada State or Iowa aren't drawn from around the world to go there because of their stellar academic record. You can't tell me that Kansas State or the University of Detroit are significantly better colleges than, say, the university of Waterloo or McMaster.

The Ivy League are well respected of course but for an undergraduate the first choice would always be Oxford or Cambridge.
Are Oxford or Cambridge in Canada?
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Are Oxford or Cambridge in Canada?
some people are just to blind to see the facts.
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Apparently you do not understand what an ad hominem argument entails, so you are forgiven.

Your post demonstrates some of the key differences in ideology between us, and why socialism is probably the system that would work best for you.

You lack a sense of personal responsibility. Here are the statements you made that support my assertion:





Why this demonstrates a lack of sense of personal responsibility:

1) You are either uncomfortable or unwilling to make decisions on your own as too who needs help and who doesn't, thus, you are more comfortable with the government making that decision for you.

2) You expect the government to take care of people in need. This demonstrates that you are either unwilling, or do not feel a responsibility to help those in need.

Personally, if I have problems, I would much prefer to fall back on my friends and family rather than the government. Conversely, I feel the personal responsibility required to help friends and family in need.

I am assuming you do not perform volunteer work, and do not donate money to charitable organizations of your choosing.

I do. Giving people a choice of who to help is what personal freedom is all about. I believe in the kindness and generosity of people, obviously you do not. Charitable organizations have improved more peoples lives than any government could ever hope too.

That is the difference between us. You believe that people are selfish and greedy. I believe that people are generous and giving.

You want the government to take peoples money and do good for them. I want people to be able to gain the personal satisfaction that comes with using their own time and money to help those less fortunate than themselves.
My family gives money to charity on a regular basis, but this money does not necessarily always go to those in need (9/11 fund). If America's system is so perfect how are there ghetto's in most major cities or your country? We went to a high school reunion in the states a while ago, so dad decided to go visit his old high school. Little did we know what had happened to that neighborhood until later that night when his old school mates informed him that we were lucky that we went early as crackheads send there kids on the road to stop rental cars and they carjack them. You yourself may believe that "people are generous and giving", but your society as a whole does not.

Show me a ghetto area in places like Australia and Canada. You can't; as the income distribution isn't as scewed as in your fine country. From that video posted before "The top 1% own assets totalling the bottom 90% of the population". Try and explain to me why that is not ****ed up?

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1) You are either uncomfortable or unwilling to make decisions on your own as too who needs help and who doesn't, thus, you are more comfortable with the government making that decision for you.

2) You expect the government to take care of people in need. This demonstrates that you are either unwilling, or do not feel a responsibility to help those in need.
Why am I uncomfortable on making decisions on my own? The government doesn't make any decisions for me. They provide me with financial support when I am in need and providing a much cheaper tertiary education so I can get a well paying job in the future. It's not like the government rings me up and tells me what medication I need to take on their PBS, or that I should go visit a doctor to take advantage of our medicare system. I use it when I am in need.

I'm sorry but I can not care for everyone in need in my country and you sure as hell can't either. How much of your time do you spend helping those in need? I do very little to be honest as the government makes it possible for me not to have to. The fact is our system guarantees people who need help will get it one way or the other, either through charities or government help.

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I do. Giving people a choice of who to help is what personal freedom is all about. I believe in the kindness and generosity of people, obviously you do not. Charitable organizations have improved more peoples lives than any government could ever hope too.
Your society is as close to pure capitalism with hints of totalitarianism thrown in for good measure. It's sole purpose is to maximise profits, isn't that the definition of a greed based society right there? Kindness and generosity are inbuilt into our society. In our country the government improves more lives than charities, free healthcare, PBS, income support, disability pensions, carer payments and government supported university fees. That is more than any charity could afford, the fact is your blinded by politicians feeding you that socialism will lead to communism. The power that lobbyist groups hold over your politicians are staggering, remember when hilary clinton wanted free healthcare for Americans when Bill was president? What happened there?
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