Great Pyramids - Man Made? or...?

[cuauhtemoc1496]

Originally Posted by Knicksman20

http://www.vinesbranch.com/view/?pageID=234803



This is just a portion of what I copied from this site. How in the hell could regular humans know these things without any help? To say that we (humans) were ALOT smarter in ancient times isn't sufficient if you ask me.

It wasn't as hard as you think if you are an engineer and understand that these things were VERY possible. Most Egyptologyst's today have agreed of how the Egyptians made the pyramids, it's no longer a mystery.

Yes it was amazing and yes it took decades of massive man power but it was done. No aliens or boogie monsters helped them, they were very intelligent and capable people who had the resources and man power.

[reedickyaluss]

Originally Posted by cuauhtemoc1496

Like I said, you are coming from a very close minded and Afro-Centric point of view. The word "Kemet" doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means. Most black historians say it means "black land" but it more litterally means "something black".

The soil in the nile valley is very dark and rich and many believe that it refers to the color of the soil. Most Egyptologist's do not agree with the Afro-Centric point of view that it means "black land" or "place of blacks".

Also, there is no proof of African's ever making it to the American continent. The stone heads of the Olmecs were very consistent with the natives in the surrounding area and anyone who has studyed ancient Mexico understands that the indigenous people's of Mexico, often created sculptures that were grotesque or deformed in their appearance.

It's very racist to think that Africans, crossed the Atlantic and carved these faces, making it seem as if the Olmecs could not have done it themselves.

The Ife bronze sculptures in Nigeria could be argued were created by Europeans because they look nothing like anything any culture had done in that region but after years of study, anthropologist's found that is not true.

One thing is to be proud of your race another is to look at the world from such an Afro-centric point of view that you discredit every civilization that has any similarity to African ones, claiming they were influenced by black african's.

[Knicksman20]

Originally Posted by cuauhtemoc1496

It wasn't as hard as you think if you are an engineer and understand that these things were VERY possible. Most Egyptologyst's today have agreed of how the Egyptians made the pyramids, it's no longer a mystery.

Yes it was amazing and yes it took decades of massive man power but it was done. No aliens or boogie monsters helped them, they were very intelligent and capable people who had the resources and man power.

I think you're giving humans (Egyptians) too much credit for something that modern man is just now starting to understand. We're not talking about medicine, cars or other inventions. This is a DEEP knowledge of the universe that primitive man had no idea about. Blocks that weigh over 50 tons with only enough space for 6 people or less & yet the Egyptians not only moved these, but placed every single block so perfect that you couldn't squeeze a small razor blade in the middle. Making one of these structures is one thing, placing each block perfectly & aligning them with the stars is super advanced. Even with man's advancement & technology they still can't make a pyramid like The Great Pyramid.

[Knicksman20]

Originally Posted by cuauhtemoc1496

It wasn't as hard as you think if you are an engineer and understand that these things were VERY possible. Most Egyptologyst's today have agreed of how the Egyptians made the pyramids, it's no longer a mystery.

Yes it was amazing and yes it took decades of massive man power but it was done. No aliens or boogie monsters helped them, they were very intelligent and capable people who had the resources and man power.

I quote from that article:

Researchers Alan and Sally Lansberg provide the following statistics regarding this incredible ediface:

"Somehow the builders knew that the world was round but flattened at the poles, which caused a degree of latitude to lengthen at the top and bottom of the planet; that it rotated in one day on an axis tilted 23.5* to the ecliptic, causing night and day, and that this tilt caused the seasons; that earth circled the sun once in a year of 365 and a fraction days.

The designers also must have known that earth's celestial north pole described a slow circle around the pole of the ecliptic, making the constellations appear to 'slip backward' (the precession of the equinoxes), and bring a new constellation of the Zodiac behind the sun at the equinox approximately every twenty two hundred years in a grand circle of about twenty-six thousand years. These facts, too, were part of the internal measurements of the pyramid".

We are asked to believe that primitive man, dressed in animal skins and roaming wild, constructed the Great Pyramid with all that it entails, yet these same builders had not yet invented the simple wheel."

[cuauhtemoc1496]

Originally Posted by Knicksman20

I think you're giving humans (Egyptians) too much credit for something that modern man is just now starting to understand. We're not talking about medicine, cars or other inventions. This is a DEEP knowledge of the universe that primitive man had no idea about. Blocks that weigh over 50 tons with only enough space for 6 people or less & yet the Egyptians not only moved these, but placed every single block so perfect that you couldn't squeeze a small razor blade in the middle. Making one of these structures is one thing, placing each block perfectly & aligning them with the stars is super advanced. Even with man's advancement & technology they still can't make a pyramid like The Great Pyramid.

Number one, that's not true. If man today wanted to make pyramids like those, we could do so in a fraction of the time. If man can build skyscrapers and forge and mold metal, I have no doubt we cna do it with stone.

Second, Egyptians aren't the only civilization that were great craftsmen. The Incas created entire cities in the sky's and the Mayas and Aztecs had cities that were larger and more populated than any in Europe at the time.....and all this without metal and beast's of burden.

I think you don't give humans ENOUGH credit. Yes they were amazing but the Egyptians as well as the Mayas, Incas, Aztecs and other civilizations areound the world had a great knowledge of math and engineering. They understood the planets and the solar system much better than you think, they just didn't have a clear picture of it as we know it today.

I know it's cool to think that imaginary creatures from other planets came and built the pyramids and other structures but it was humans themselves that did these things and that goes to show you what people are capable of doing when they put their hearts and minds to it.

[cuauhtemoc1496]

Machu Picchu



Pyramid of Kukulcan in Chichentiza, Mexico



Pyramid of the Sun, Teohtihuacan, Mexico

Ancients weren't as useless as you think....

[Knicksman20]

Originally Posted by cuauhtemoc1496

Number one, that's not true. If man today wanted to make pyramids like those, we could do so in a fraction of the time. If man can build skyscrapers and forge and mold metal, I have no doubt we cna do it with stone.

Second, Egyptians aren't the only civilization that were great craftsmen. The Incas created entire cities in the sky's and the Mayas and Aztecs had cities that were larger and more populated than any in Europe at the time.....and all this without metal and beast's of burden.

I think you don't give humans ENOUGH credit. Yes they were amazing but the Egyptians as well as the Mayas, Incas, Aztecs and other civilizations areound the world had a great knowledge of math and engineering. They understood the planets and the solar system much better than you think, they just didn't have a clear picture of it as we know it today.

I know it's cool to think that imaginary creatures from other planets came and built the pyramids and other structures but it was humans themselves that did these things and that goes to show you what people are capable of doing when they put their hearts and minds to it.

If that were true then why doesn't anyone build one. I'll tell you because it's too difficult. I googled moden pyramid builders & found this:

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6307

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In 1978, apparently after having let their own technological prowess intoxicate them with delusions of grandeur, the Japanese Nisson Corporation, with permission of the government of Egypt, embarked upon a project that would prove to be extremely humbling

"Their mission was to build a pyramid of lesser proportions on the Gizeh desert just southeast of the 3rd pyramid of king Mekaure. Their focus was not to build for size but to build for technique, following the method expounded upon by Herodotus. They were to quarry the stone out of the nearby hills, float it down the rive, hire Arab workmen as haulers using ropes and pulleys to drag the blocks onto and up the ramps, putting them in place manually without the aid of levers.

"Upon beginning construction the Japanese found that they were faced with insurmountable problems. First an foremost, the duplicated hand tools the men were provided with could not cut the stone, so the workers had to resort to the use of air jackhammers. Secondly when the boulders were placed on the rafts another problem arose. They could not prevent the barges from capsizing, since they were soon overrun with water and could not be handled properly. They became unsafe for the men, due to the instability crated by the weight of the steamboat. Upon reaching the shore they ran into a third problem: the limestone boulders began to sink into the river silt and the sand of the desert, and those that did not sink were of no consequence for the men could not budge them. Once again modern technology was called upon in the way of trucks and land rovers to move the stone to the designated site. Finally, adding insult to injury, the great numbers of men that they had amassed, could not lift the blocks by pulley, levers, nor ropes, and as result power cranes plus helicopters were contracted to do the job. Even then, employing the use of today' most powerful lifting machine, those blocks set in place were greatly out alignment, and many (if not most) were broken, chipped and badly scratched, due to improper handling.

"Finally, the Government of Egypt interceded and put and end to their agony. The unauthorized use of the heavy land equipment had torn asunder large stretches of desert land which had become quite an eye sore. The project was terminated and the pyramid, what little was intact, was dismantled. What the world learned from this endeavor was two things-one; that the simple methods conservative scholars have for so long said were utilized were totally inadequate, falling way short of the mark-and two; even with aid of modern technology in regards to transportation, lifting, quarrying, and placing these two ton blocks the job left much to be desired.

"In comparison, the ingenious masonry work exhibited in the construction of the pyramids, especially the Great Pyramid, far surpassed the meager attempts made by the Japanese."

[reedickyaluss]

Originally Posted by Knicksman20

I think you're giving humans (Egyptians) too much credit for something that modern man is just now starting to understand. We're not talking about medicine, cars or other inventions. This is a DEEP knowledge of the universe that primitive man had no idea about. Blocks that weigh over 50 tons with only enough space for 6 people or less & yet the Egyptians not only moved these, but placed every single block so perfect that you couldn't squeeze a small razor blade in the middle. Making one of these structures is one thing, placing each block perfectly & aligning them with the stars is super advanced. Even with man's advancement & technology they still can't make a pyramid like The Great Pyramid.

That is very true! wtf this is bothering me

[reedickyaluss]

Originally Posted by Knicksman20

If that were true then why doesn't anyone build one. I'll tell you because it's too difficult. I googled moden pyramid builders & found this:

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6307

"

That article is nuts...

[Knicksman20]

Originally Posted by reedickyaluss

That is very true! wtf this is bothering me

It makes you think what the hell was going on back then. From what I've been reading there's very little knowledge as to how these were built. No hieroglyphics or anything & these would be something to brag about.