Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History
Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 11-02-2007, 08:52 PM
Hawk O'Connor
Erin go Bragh
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Knoxville, TN
Age: 41
Posts: 1,347
Rep Power: 10 Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 15,360.13
Bank: 45,694.41
Total Points: 61,054.54
Default Jack Dempsey KO 7 Jack Johnson

Has anyone heard about this? Supposedly it happened in December of 1921.


Quote:
Dempsey-Johnson fight was arranged by Dempsey manager Doc Kearns for gamblers in Saskatoon, Canada. Kearn's surviving son claims the fight likely happened, as does Jack Hay, alleged illigitimate Dempsey son who wrote an unpublished play regarding the match called "Hoopla." The only evidence of such a match is this newspaper report, detailing a 7-round thriller where Dempsey recovers from a fifth-round knockdown to score a clean knockout. The article includes a round-by-round account of the match
Reply With Quote
Hawk O'Connor is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 11-02-2007, 10:48 PM
LondonRingRules
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: The Republic of Texas, never hear of Muleshoe?
Age: 66
Posts: 1,640
Rep Power: 14 LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute LondonRingRules has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 67,391.38
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 67,391.38
A new boxing encyclopedia for your collection. Not that you need it! - BattlingNelson 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
Has anyone heard about this? Supposedly it happened in December of 1921.
** There is a round by round account of the fight, but it's hard to know if it is made up or not since this account can only be found in the short lived Fight Beat mag.

If made up they sure did their homework as the motives of the principles are spot on and the schedules of Johnson and Dempsey match perfectly for such a bout. The fight itself doesn't go like I see it, with Dempsey coming out cautious and Johnson aggressive early on and hurting Jack.

But then I thought about it, what with Johnson being older and knowing he's not likely to do well over distance, and Dempsey not really being in training and whittled down into a fighting mood before the bell rings.

Post prison Johnson was calling out Dempsey and later Louis even though he was well past it and not getting anywhere. The money would have been generated by the massive betting in a frontier gold mining town, Sasskatoon, which also plays into a Kearn's hands by letting Johnson get on top early and rake in the last big bets and then giving Dempsey the green light.

Without somekind of verification, which may come in the future, it's just really great boxing lore of one of the greatest eras ever.

Jeffries and Johnson almost fought in the basement of a bar Jeff was at, but Johnson turned his offer down, this back when Jeff was champ and Johnson busted into the bar demanding a title shot. Supposedly a true story that you can find in a couple of Johnson or Jeffries bios.
Reply With Quote
LondonRingRules is offline
#3
Old 11-03-2007, 12:09 AM
Hawk O'Connor
Erin go Bragh
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Knoxville, TN
Age: 41
Posts: 1,347
Rep Power: 10 Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 15,360.13
Bank: 45,694.41
Total Points: 61,054.54
Default

You wouldn't happen to know what issue of Fight Beat would you? I'd like to check that out.
Reply With Quote
Hawk O'Connor is offline
#4
Old 11-03-2007, 12:45 AM
ROSS CALIFORNIA
Tyson fan
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 97,279
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 214 ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute ROSS CALIFORNIA has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 200,000,000,501.25
Bank: 2,059,679,369,597,424,640.00
Total Points: 2,059,679,569,597,425,152.00
Here you go - ???  to a good friend - Fire and Fear  No Message - messenger  Awesome member award - jazluvr  sorry being late - Nemisis 
No Message - MartinC  Ross is the man! - valero  Medal of Honor bro for integrity - Tyler_Durden  No Message - CounterPunching  thanks for the quick payment :fing02: - -jose- 
for your integrity - jazluvr  Merry Christmas! =] - Tyler_Durden  thanks, for the quick payment, who you got for the Cotto/Martinez fight? - -jose-  Here's a bottle of vintage,1766 from Sicily.Enjoy. - Scott.Weiland.  for swift payment on epoints bet! - jas 
No Message - Scott Weiland  No Message - J-champ  Merry Christmas Bruh. - Chief2ndzOnly!  happy holidays, bro! - jazluvr  Thank you for upping our bet on Broner-Porter. First time I got a quad. Big thanks boss playa og. - punchr 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - FkDaHtrs  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - FkDaHtrs  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - FkDaHtrs  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - FkDaHtrs  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - FkDaHtrs 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ROSS CALIFORNIA  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - ROSS CALIFORNIA 
Default

I've never even heard about this, but Johnson was really despised back in those days. It wouldn't surprise me the rumor was started and I think a lot of people wanted to believe it back then. But if it is in fact true, Johnson would have been old (by boxing standards) anyways.
Reply With Quote
ROSS CALIFORNIA is offline
#5
Old 11-03-2007, 12:49 AM
Hawk O'Connor
Erin go Bragh
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Knoxville, TN
Age: 41
Posts: 1,347
Rep Power: 10 Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 15,360.13
Bank: 45,694.41
Total Points: 61,054.54
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RossCA View Post
I've never even heard about this, but Johnson was really despised back in those days. It wouldn't surprise me the rumor was started and I think a lot of people wanted to believe it back then. But if it is in fact true, Johnson would have been old (by boxing standards) anyways.
True, he woulda been old but it's still a neat story. I mean Jack Johnson facing Dempsey is pretty cool to mull over in your head.
Reply With Quote
Hawk O'Connor is offline
#6
Old 11-03-2007, 01:43 AM
Jim Jeffries
rugged individualist
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ameritopia, U.S.S.A.
Posts: 22,116
Rep Power: 89 Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute Jim Jeffries has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,798,813.60
Bank: 343,441,578,549,813.06
Total Points: 343,441,580,348,626.69
U.S.A. Forever!!!!!!! - Mike Tyson77  Have a brew with your boy Pea, Jim.... - Shin Akuma  have a gift.. - Miyagi  To a very intelligent poster! - abosworth  Republican Jockholder - alfonso13702 
merry xmas - msagrain  Happy 10K Posts - Golden Boy 360  congrats on 10K jim...cheers - Makavelli  10,000!! - tyson  10k! - Equilibrium 
Too bad it ain't Cotto's Schlong!! - chicano79us  Preach on!!! - -veteran420-  have some san miguel - Akinapepemo  have some san miguel - Akinapepemo  yeah - BoxingTech718 
You get the Glen Beck award. Thanks for having my back brother - Mike Tyson77  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Freedom.  Happy Holidays  Jim.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  Happy holidays bro! - led*  Sorry you're asian and ugly.  This will make you feel better. - robust_ 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - mangler  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - Mr._Pink  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - street bully  AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - mangler  Children with Disabilities - Parkinson's Disease - VACTERL - Young Onset Parkinson's Association - Akinapepemo 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
Has anyone heard about this? Supposedly it happened in December of 1921.
Seems like there would be more mention of it. Besides, Johnson would have been 43 to a 26 year old Dempsey, hardly a fair fight.
Reply With Quote
Jim Jeffries is offline
#7
Old 11-03-2007, 02:14 AM
phallus
the lizard of ahs
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: In a shed with feral cats
Posts: 15,307
Rep Power: 217 phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute phallus has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 39,851.72
Bank: 2,528,356,996,196,203.00
Total Points: 2,528,356,996,236,054.50
Hermano de leche.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  Rimjob All-Star Team - DWiens421  have a drink on me bro. - Melly-Mel  Big,thick, black cock in the ass - Mizzou  To my long lost brother. - Round 1 
No Message - Dick Valentine  Here homey. You need some food - mangler  Here's a gift hermano.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  top notch poster - BostonGuy  eat some cake hermano.. - Round 1 
Happy Holidays phallus.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  here's a leftover slice, enjoy! Brooklyn Pizza son!!! - -jose-  You know what's up. Real recognize real. #respect - Just Now Hit Me 
AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - _PlaT_NuM_  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - !! AI-Holmes!!  Gay and Lesbian Pride - mangler jr  AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - Mangler Jewnior 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinz1970 View Post
Seems like there would be more mention of it. Besides, Johnson would have been 43 to a 26 year old Dempsey, hardly a fair fight.
yeah, jack was already 38 years old when he "lost" to willard. i think if it had happend, becasue of the hate for johnson, it'd be in every newspaper in america, and made the history books for sure
Reply With Quote
phallus is offline
#8
Old 11-03-2007, 12:32 PM
Dempsey 1919
Manassah's finest!
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Age: 27
Posts: 11,713
Rep Power: 982 Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute Dempsey 1919 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 222,433.67
Bank: 966,843.79
Total Points: 1,189,277.46
Default

It was a different guy named Johnson. Not Jack Johnson. I can't remember the guy's first name, but it wasn't Jack.
Reply With Quote
Dempsey 1919 is offline
#9
Old 11-03-2007, 12:53 PM
Hawk O'Connor
Erin go Bragh
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Knoxville, TN
Age: 41
Posts: 1,347
Rep Power: 10 Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute Hawk O'Connor has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 15,360.13
Bank: 45,694.41
Total Points: 61,054.54
Default

No, it was supposed to be Jack Johnson thus the significance of the thing.
Reply With Quote
Hawk O'Connor is offline
#10
Old 11-04-2007, 12:14 AM
Mike Tyson77
Time's a flat circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 14,249
Rep Power: 89 Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute Mike Tyson77 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 22,960,747,307.57
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 22,960,747,307.57
Happy New Year - Freedom.  Never left a man behind - Unknown Champ  the whipping boy's done wrong! - - v e t -  Thanks and YW ya crazy sumbtch - Jim Jeffries  Brew back at you. Salud. - Sweet Pea 50 
cheers!!! - jose830  one more - jose830  Thanks, junk foods on me. Munch up!! - Terrel  Here, take mine, I drink too god damned much anyhow - Dye  you and me both - Frogs! 
have a fish first - Frogs!  Happy birthday - ShaunRoberts  Happy B-day.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  Happy Birthday bro! - jose830  birthday pint m8 - the collector 
Happy birfday, bud. - Sweet Pea 50  Happy Birthday - jaded  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Freedom.  14000 post! - jose830  When Gotham is ashes...then you have my permission to die! - LoadedWraps 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - jose830  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - TBear  Emphysema - Lung Cancer - Lung Disease - Multiple Sclerosis - TBear  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - TBear  Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - TBear 
Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - Mannie Phresh  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jose830 
Default

Jack Johnson KO15 Jack Dempsey



Jack Johnson was a freak, I mean that in a good way. You could hit the man smack dead in the jaw and he would just start claping. Truely a P4P all time great.
Reply With Quote
Mike Tyson77 is offline
Reply

Share This With Friends

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright 2003-2014 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:34 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.