Gene Tunney

DWiens421

I need help from someone who really knows their history. I looked at Gene Tunney's career record, and he is undefeated against Jack Dempsey, and only lost once to Harry Greb, but he beat Greb three times. Every historic ranking system has one or both of them above Tunney in every weight division, and even The Ring's 80 best fighters in the last 80 years has both of them above Gene Tunney. Is there something that I am unaware of that keeps Tunney down or something? I am just confused why he is not ahead of one or both of these guys.

wmute

Gene Tunney should be one of the top 175ers all-time.

Greb is ranked at 160
Dempsey at HW.

At HW Dempsey is I believe rankd higher than Tunney for good reason, he came back after a 3 years layoff when he lost his title to him, and observers testified his slipping in previous occasions too.

Tunney had only one defense after the Dempsey match and then retired. Dempsey had his reign of terror, os I guess that would be another reason for good ranking.

P4P
It is not as clear why Dempsey should be ranked above Tunney in a p4p sense, I believe a lot has to do with Dempsey'as aura of destructive primitive force. You should ask someone who is expert on BOTH and does not worship any of the two for a well informed unbiased opinioned. i personally would rank Tunney ahead of Dempsey p4p, but as I said I am not enough of an expert on either fighter to make an adamant statement on the subject.

Greb was simply the smaller, older man and he had a terrific record of handing beatings to bigger men of quality (Rosenbloom, Gibbons) so even if Tunney had won the majority of their fights, I guess it's safe to place Greb ahead him p4p. (kind of Leonard being 2-1 against Duran).

Hope this helps.

DWiens421

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Originally Posted by wmute

Gene Tunney should be one of the top 175ers all-time.

Greb is ranked at 160
Dempsey at HW.

At HW Dempsey is I believe rankd higher than Tunney for good reason, he came back after a 3 years layoff when he lost his title to him, and observers testified his slipping in previous occasions too.

Tunney had only one defense after the Dempsey match and then retired. Dempsey had his reign of terror, os I guess that would be another reason for good ranking.

P4P
It is not as clear why Dempsey should be ranked above Tunney in a p4p sense, I believe a lot has to do with Dempsey'as aura of destructive primitive force. You should ask someone who is expert on BOTH and does not worship any of the two for a well informed unbiased opinioned. i personally would rank Tunney ahead of Dempsey p4p, but as I said I am not enough of an expert on either fighter to make an adamant statement on the subject.

Greb was simply the smaller, older man and he had a terrific record of handing beatings to bigger men of quality (Rosenbloom, Gibbons) so even if Tunney had won the majority of their fights, I guess it's safe to place Greb ahead him p4p. (kind of Leonard being 2-1 against Duran).

Hope this helps.

It does a lot, thank you very much, although it is still confusing to me about the P4P.

Yogi

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Originally Posted by DWiens421

It does a lot, thank you very much, although it is still confusing to me about the P4P.

If it's something you're curious about, here's a post I made on the Tunney/Greb series some time ago, my friend, and obviously it's open for discussion if you have any comments or questions on it;

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...eb#post1334226

DWiens421

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Originally Posted by Yogi

If it's something you're curious about, here's a post I made on the Tunney/Greb series some time ago, my friend, and obviously it's open for discussion if you have any comments or questions on it;

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...eb#post1334226

That does clear that part of it up pretty well for me, thank you.