Top 50 Pound for Pound revisited.

[Barn]

Mayweather and Pacquiao have done more than enough to be top 50. Both have more than 3 lineal titles with Pac having 4 so you have to put them up there.

Holyfield, Tyson, Roy Jones and Frazier should be there also.

Holyfield, probably. Frazier, Jones possibly. Tyson and Maywether, no. Pacquiao if he beats Plasterito rather convincingly AND beats Floyd or a few other very good names THEN we can talk about it.

[Barn]

Where would you rank Paquiao and Maywether on a list?
Can you list the names whom they are better than?

[StarshipTrooper]

Thanks for the compliment, I can see why some people don't attempt these as it is wide open to criticism but, I really enjoyed making this list and would encourage others to as it makes for good debating.

Don't worry about the criticism. There are two types after all: The constructive critiscm you'll get from the knowledgable posters in this section and the moronic cheap-shots you'll get from the trolls and azzholes. Just put the known trolls on ignore so they can't post in your threads.

Poet

[IMDAZED]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Benny Leonard
9. Eder Jofre
10. Roberto Duran
11. Bob Fitzsimmons
12. Joe Gans
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Gene Tunney
15. Archie Moore
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Mickey Walker
18. Stanley Ketchel
19. Pernell Whittaker
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Barney Ross
23. Jack Johnson
24. Jimmy Mclarlin
25. Joe Walcott (og)
26. Sugar Ray Leonard
27. Marvin Hagler
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Sandy Saddler
30. George Foreman
31. Joe Napoles
32. Ted Kid Lewis
33. Marcel Cerdan
34. Salvador Sanchez
35. Ruben Olivares
36. Terry McGovern
37. Alexis Arguello
38. Dick Tiger
39. Charley Burley
40. Billy Conn
41. Thomas Hearns
42. Rocky Marciano
43. Larry Holmes
44. Carmen Basillio
45. Ricardo Lopez
46. Sonny Liston
47. Wilfredo Gomez
48. Gene Fullmer
49. Bernard Hopkins
50. Wilfred Benitez

I will call myself and idiot when I view this tomorrow my opinion always changes.

Not a bad list, bud. I do disagree with quite a bit but overall a very good effort.

[SBleeder]

I was thinking putting Mike Tyson at around 45-50 what are your thoughts on that SB?

Obviously I would completely disagree; I have him at #84 on my top 100 list which I think is generous. If you think he belongs there, that's your opinion and I'll respect it. Liston is your lowest-ranked heavyweight and Tyson certainly should be ranked lower than him just based on skill.

It's the idiots who think he belongs up there with Robinson and Ali that really grate my cheese.

[Sugar Sting Ray]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Benny Leonard
9. Eder Jofre
10. Roberto Duran
11. Bob Fitzsimmons
12. Joe Gans
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Gene Tunney
15. Archie Moore
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Mickey Walker
18. Stanley Ketchel
19. Pernell Whittaker
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Barney Ross
23. Jack Johnson
24. Jimmy Mclarlin
25. Joe Walcott (og)
26. Sugar Ray Leonard
27. Marvin Hagler
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Sandy Saddler
30. George Foreman
31. Joe Napoles
32. Ted Kid Lewis
33. Marcel Cerdan
34. Salvador Sanchez
35. Ruben Olivares
36. Terry McGovern
37. Alexis Arguello
38. Dick Tiger
39. Charley Burley
40. Billy Conn
41. Thomas Hearns
42. Rocky Marciano
43. Larry Holmes
44. Carmen Basillio
45. Ricardo Lopez
46. Sonny Liston
47. Wilfredo Gomez
48. Gene Fullmer
49. Bernard Hopkins
50. Wilfred Benitez

[Barn]

I personally don't think he (Tyson) is worthy of a top 50 spot I was just wonderin' if you thought he would be. I don't put him in my top 10 heavies, probs have him about 14th or that so I don't think A 14th ranked heavy makes a top 50 personally.

[StarshipTrooper]

Pacquiao is top 20 at the least. He has 7 soon to be 8 world titles with four lineal titles and is arguably the greatest southpaw of all time. Hes better than most on your list considering this is a P4P list and moving up in weight proves skill.

Mayweather compared to the relatively modern fighters you have included Id say hes better than B-hop, Lopez and Holmes for sure.

7 titles doesn't count for much when there's 18 weight classes and 3 major titles per class. Henry Armstrong holding 3 belts SIMULTANIOUSLY at a time when there was 8 weight classes and 1 title per weight class is a hell of a lot more impressive.

The greatest southpaw? Last time I checked Pernell Whitaker and Marvin Hagler were southpaws and Pacquiao isn't in their league (neither is Mayweather).

Poet

[Tiozzo]

Cerdan, really ?

[Barn]

Cerdan, really ?

I believe the list has his name on it...