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  • #21
    Originally posted by Golovkin View Post
    Can control distance yet Cotto smashed his nose with his jab lol.
    Sadly, Pacquiao doesn't posses such a jab or the ability to cut off the ring the way Cotto does...

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
      It's easy to note ones work rate and not acknowledge that it isn't gonna apply itself against said style. Juan Diaz had a great work rate, very good conditioning as well and he simply couldn't get off combinations against Malignaggi, granted we're talking about two greats in Pacquiao and Mayweather. Still, an old Mosley managed to cut Pacquiao's offense, Marquez in the 3rd fight did the same as well. That offense of Manny was never gonna do it for him, he would need a knock out to win.
      lol, he ran all night. That cuts of anyones offense.

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      • #23
        Ran in NSB terms= you wouldn't let the guy punch you in the face all night long

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        • #24
          Originally posted by I don't lose View Post
          lol, he ran all night. That cuts of anyones offense.
          There wasn't any running, simply a man who couldn't pull the trigger. Watch his fight against Cano, Mosley couldn't pull the trigger there as well, it wasn't until the 2nd half where he started taking the initiative that got him back in the fight. Same thing happened to Hopkins against Pascal, couldn't successfully counter Pascal the way he normally does most his opponents, he then pressed the action. Mosley never did that, he continued to look for the right hand and it never came, that was lack of adjusting.

          Pacquiao still looked amateurish and showed that while he had improved against your typical aggressive style, he was still the man that struggled with Marquez which is what most were wondering at the time. The same movement Mosley applied, Floyd would have done that and a lot more. That was actually the fight that told me Pacquiao didn't stand a chance.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
            Sadly, Pacquiao doesn't posses such a jab or the ability to cut off the ring the way Cotto does...
            But Pacquiao is three times as fast as Cotto is, has way more movement, has more power in both hands, throws better combinations (from angles you can't see)... you can see all the advantages he has over Cotto in their 2009 fight.

            Point is, Pacquiao is on different level than Cotto is.

            And back to the point at hand, Pac presents a lot more difficulties than Cotto did. Old little Mosley rocked Floyd with his jittery hands, Pacquiao would touch him cleaner and stronger.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Golovkin View Post
              But Pacquiao is three times as fast as Cotto is, has way more movement, has more power in both hands, throws better combinations (from angles you can't see)... you can see all the advantages he has over Cotto in their 2009 fight.

              Point is, Pacquiao is on different level than Cotto is.

              And back to the point at hand, Pac presents a lot more difficulties than Cotto did. Old little Mosley rocked Floyd with his jittery hands, Pacquiao would touch him cleaner and stronger.
              Didn't Cotto bust Manny's ear drum with that same jab you're talking about. To land a combo the person has to be there to be hit and as Canelo found out Floyd will not be there to be hit. Mosley set-up his big shot with a body punch something Manny rarely does.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
                No, Floyd at one point had a low work rate, if you remember correctly one thing that was used against Floyd was the fact that he didn't jab, jab to the head that is. He was so athletically gifted that he got away with not setting up his punches, it wasn't until Sr. got back with him during the Marquez fight that he put the kind of emphasis towards the jab that he should have.

                Also, Floyd's workrate isn't gonna drop against Pacquiao, Pacquiao's lunging in and reaching is only gonna open up opportunities for Floyd.
                we know about his gifts and talent but againts who?.it's not gonna drop ?.. so you expect floyd to fight pac like he did cotto?..one can only wish and that was'nt a choice by floyd either ..he fought cotto the way he did becuase he had to, he could'nt have gotten away with potshotting cotto...

                pac's balance has always been said as the problem but aside from his last fight, it was never a problem , infact the last time he was drop due to it was when he fought if i remember correctly (the shane kd was bs) yesmeganov(or something like that) .. it's gonna create oppurtunities with pac lungin in but how committed is floyd be to capitalizing on it coz i dont see him throwing combos ala jmm...

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Golovkin View Post
                  Can control distance yet Cotto smashed his nose with his jab lol.
                  credibility out the window

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                  • #29
                    i still see that fight as a 50/50.

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                    • #30
                      mayweather himself didnt even believe he was gna win

                      1) hes undefeated. HENCE, he ONLY picks opponents HE KNOWS he gna beat
                      2) youtube.. mayweather rich coward

                      /endthread

                      how you gna believe for him? cmon son. lmao

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