Bert Sugar: Pacquiao is a Top-20 P4P All-Time Great

[Rorschach™]

He said that after the Cotto Fight. Funny because modern era hater like Sugar put Pacquiao in Top 20.

What are your thoughts? Is Bert Sugar a crackhead too? Is your list better than this 73 year old boxing historian wannabe? BoxingScene Boxing Historians where you at?

[ericsantos]

Top 20 is not bad

[infamous larryx]

atleast he has a damn list to debate about...everyone else ranks fighters then says"well i dont have a list"

[zeidrich]

pac would be top 10 on both media and historians point of view, i said it on the other thread... w/c is why he will be top 10 for sure.

i dont have one though ... im not even born yet when those legends fought

[puga]

the greatest southpaw ever....defintely the best in my lifetime!....and this was in the cotto fight last year!

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Not even close to Top 20. No fighter from this era can replace anyone in the Top 20.

[puga]

Not even close to Top 20. No fighter from this era can replace anyone in the Top 20.

bert sugar>>>>>>>>>>>>you!

[NChristo]

Sugar is a media whore, his list is not very credible and has been made to look like a joke by people who question it.

Before people start *****ing I have always had this opinion, even before Pacquaio was on the scene.

1) Ray Robinson
2) Hank Armstrong
3) Willie Pep
4) Joe Louis
5) Harry Greb
6) Benny Leonard
7) Muhammad Ali
8) Roberto Duran
9) Jack Dempsey
10) Jack Johnson
11) Mickey Walker
12) Tony Canzoneri
13) Gene Tunney
14) Rocky Marciano
15) Joe Gans
16) Sam Langford
17) Julio Cesar Chavez
18) Jimmy Wilde
19) Stanley Ketchel
20) Barney Ross

That was his top 20 from a while ago, no Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ray Leonard but he has Marciano, Johnson and Dempsey there ?, and his list get worse as it goes further down.

Sorry, I'm not buying anything that comes out of this guy's mouth.

If you think this list is credible then are you saying that Dempsey and Marciano are greater then Pac ?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Sugar is a media whore, his list is not very credible and has been made to look like a joke by people who question it.

Before people start *****ing I have always had this opinion, even before Pacquaio was on the scene.

1) Ray Robinson
2) Hank Armstrong
3) Willie Pep
4) Joe Louis
5) Harry Greb
6) Benny Leonard
7) Muhammad Ali
8) Roberto Duran
9) Jack Dempsey
10) Jack Johnson
11) Mickey Walker
12) Tony Canzoneri
13) Gene Tunney
14) Rocky Marciano
15) Joe Gans
16) Sam Langford
17) Julio Cesar Chavez
18) Jimmy Wilde
19) Stanley Ketchel
20) Barney Ross

That was his top 20 from a while ago, no Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ray Leonard but he has Tunney, Marciano, Johnson and Dempsey there ?, and his list get worse as it goes further down.

Sorry, I'm not buying anything that comes out of this guy's mouth.

If you think this list is credible then are you saying that Dempsey and Marciano are greater then Pac ?

This is all I could find on his list,

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harry Greb
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano
Joe Gans
Sam Langford
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jimmy Wild
Stanley Ketchel
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Archie Moore
Marcel Cerdan
Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Walcott
Jake LaMptta
Eder Jofre
Emile Griffith
Terry McGovern
George Foreman
Johnny Dundee
Jose Napoles
Pascual Perez
Billy Conn
Ruben Olivares
Joe Frazier
Tommy Loughran
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate
Abe Atell
Evander Holyfield
George Dixon
Maxie Rosenbloom
Larry Holmes
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Carlos Zarate
Thomas Hearns
Battling Nelson
Beau Jack
Ricardo Lopez
John L. Sullivan
Carlos Monzon
Alexis Arguello
Carmen Basilio
Pete Herman
Charley Burley
Ike Williams
Kid Gavilan
Jack Britton
Dick Tiger
Pancho Villa
Panama Al Brown
Bob Fitzsimmons
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Tiger Flowers
James J. Corbett
Tony Zale
Tommy Ryan
Georges Carpentier
Sonny Liston
"Kid" McCoy
Bob Foster
Freddie Welsh
Joe Jeannette
Jim Driscoll
Jersey Joe Walcott
Peter Jackson
Ad Wolgast
Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
Manuel Ortiz
James J. Jeffries
Salvador Sanchez
Jimmy Barry
Carlos Ortiz
Roy Jones, Jr.
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Bernard Hopkins
Mike Gibbons
Jack Delaney
Johnny Kilbane
Willie Ritchie
Wilfredo Benitez
Packey McFarland
Rocky Graziano
Lew Jenkins
Mike Tyson

[hugh grant]

How can marciano be as good as Pac? He beat a bad generation of heavyweights and he looks like Frankenstein movement wise to Pac?