Do you think americans will keep crying about the HW division forever...?

[Pirao]

Or will they eventually come to terms with the fact that they no longer dominate?

As we all know, since the Klitschkos started their rule, many americans have been trying to discredit them and make all kind of excuses as to why americans no longer are on top (mainly NBA and NFL blablabla ). Since considering the eastern european domination has no end sight (just look at the prospects that have already turned pro and the ones coming through the amateurs), do you think they'll finally come to accept that eastern europeans can be great HWs too, or will they keep crying and making excuses forever?

[LoStranger]

no they'll simply ignore it and remmeber the glory days of the HW division in the 80's 90's

[Pirao]

no they'll simply ignore it and remmeber the glory days of the HW division in the 80's 90's

Yeah, like they ignore it now

BTW, are you saying there can be no great HWs unless they're american?

[JAB5239]

Or will they eventually come to terms with the fact that they no longer dominate?

As we all know, since the Klitschkos started their rule, many americans have been trying to discredit them and make all kind of excuses as to why americans no longer are on top (mainly NBA and NFL blablabla ). Since considering the eastern european domination has no end sight (just look at the prospects that have already turned pro and the ones coming through the amateurs), do you think they'll finally come to accept that eastern europeans can be great HWs too, or will they keep crying and making excuses forever?

No good American heavyweights, and no good heavyweights in the rest of the world outside the Klits. It has nothing to do with nationality the talent level is just piss poor. But if it makes you feel any better than yes, the eastern Europeans are dominating a horrible era and look to continue to do so in the near future.

Todays heavyweight talent level.

[Pirao]

No good American heavyweights, and no good heavyweights in the rest of the world outside the Klits. It has nothing to do with nationality the talent level is just piss poor. But if it makes you feel any better than yes, the eastern Europeans are dominating a horrible era and look to continue to do so in the near future.

Todays heavyweight talent level.

Oh look, you talking about talent level (something that of course can't be proven and is subjective), what a surprise

So far it seems like the americans will keep crying instead of facing reality.

[davros2010]

The brothers are good no doubt but Americans have been moaning about the heavyweight division since the early 00's even when there was Byrd, Brewster etc. I dont know what young eastern euro talent the thread starter is talking about i dont seen any great young eastern euro heavyweights. In fact the best prospects are not even from there. helenius, Perez, Mitchell, Fury etc. I had high hopes for Boystov but due to his medical problems he has not done much. Anyway i dont care where the fighters come from i just want good fights but dam it been years since a great heavyweight fight fight.

[bojangles1987]

You act like no American ever thought the heavyweight division sucked until the Klitschkos became the best fighters in the division. This has been a downward spiral ever since Ali retired, and except for a brief resurgence when Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson right before prison, and Lewis were all great at the same time, it's progressively gotten worse.

Just because the Klitschkos are great fighters, doesn't mean the rest of the division doesn't suck. They are terrible, and if neither Klitschko was around the heavyweight division would be bad to the point of being nearly unwatchable.

[MacDaRippa]

Talent level could be ****, but the excuse of NFL and NBA cannot be the reason. It is the same for Europeans to say that most of the talent goes on to play football (soccer), which is true because of how popular football has always and will always be here. There is talent from ALL over the world, and boxing is and should be racially blind.

[bojangles1987]

Also, it's not an opinion but a fact that the NFL and NBA have taken a lot of the guys who used to become heavyweights, due to boxing's falling popularity back in the 80's due to the rise of those two sports. It used to be that any athletic man with size wanted to be heavyweight champion, now they all want much easier money playing sports that don't require the work boxing does.

[Money Shot]

If you look at the $150m plus Tyson made in his career there's plenty incentive for US based guys to try the game, they just aren't good enough, and I don't buy the NFL/NBA excuse.