Originally posted by mathed
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I think Andre Ward is "that good"
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Originally posted by RisAri0 View Postwell tell us who the hell is Ward supposed to beat then? Dude won a damn tournament against the top guys in in his division for crying out loud
Same **** different fighter. Until he loses people will cry. In a few years a new **** fan base (much like the pactarts) won't even know who Froch, Kessler, AA, Dawson etc is and will say he didn't fight anyone and is ducking (insert name).
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Originally posted by Earl Hickey View PostWard has like 10 years left, and he's already done so much
Carl froch, Arthur Abraham, chad Dawson, mikkel Kessler, I mean that's the basis of a very good resume, and he's still got time.
Forget about him ever losing, it's not going to happen, it's just how many names he can get on his resume now
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If you are only now realizing Ward is that good, you have missed the boat already.
The question now would be is Ward that great.
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Originally posted by junior gong View PostI would put Donaire above him p4p right now as he has achieved more in his career and been more active. Its only fair. You cant have Floyd at 1 because he only fights once a year and his comeback has been a puddle of piss.
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Originally posted by mathed View PostMartinez moved up in weight and beat undefeated, bigger guys. That's one of the main differences
What difference does it make that Darren Barker is undefeated against Domestic level bums?
Being "undefeated" doesn't mean anything.
Originally posted by mathed View Post....Kessler?? My boy Calzaghe took that 0 away years ago, Kessler isn't now what he was before the Joe fight - no one can convince me of that.
He also went on to beat Froch so can't have been that far passed it.
Originally posted by mathed View PostFroch???? Well I'll give Ward the most credit for that victory - the best one of his career.
Originally posted by mathed View PostI mean Dawson???? There is a reason why he fights at 175 and not 168....there is a reason why Ward fought him at 168 and would not compromise in the least on the weight.
Originally posted by mathed View PostThen there is Allan Green and Tucker Pudwill.........P4P material fight there man. Come on, you guys talking like Ward is the GOAT......he beat 3 decent guys that already had done to them before what Ward did to them, plus the guy won't leave his backyard for a challenge.
And for every Allan Green and Tucker Pudwill you can have unranked, domestic level only fighters like Darren Barker for Martinez.
But he was undefeated!!!!
I think the dude is top 10 p4p but he hasn't accomplished shit compared to some others in that list. You have guys in there that are 3-plus division champions with victories over hall of fame competition.....explain it away but I ain't in line to purchase that bs.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't accomplished **** compared to Pacquaio and Mayweather but he has accomplished **** compared to Martinez, and then some.
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Originally posted by WESS View PostIt doesn't matter who he fights, it's everyone that he didn't fight that people will cry about. Just like Mayweather, until Ward loses people are going to cry and cry and cry that he didn't fight so and so at this EXACT moment in time. Ward can beat anyone and people will say that he was supposed to but now he's ducking so and so.
Same **** different fighter. Until he loses people will cry. In a few years a new **** fan base (much like the pactarts) won't even know who Froch, Kessler, AA, Dawson etc is and will say he didn't fight anyone and is ducking (insert name).
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