Turkey shoots down Russian Fighter

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[Kris Silver]

I agree they shouldn't be entering other countries' airspace under normal circumstances, but I think this is a little different. The whole world knows they are in the area taking care of a problem that has been ignored for way too long. They were not planning to attack Turkey. They posed no threat. Russia has figured out all of Turkey's dirty secrets relating to ISIS and Turkey didn't want them snooping around or using their space to launch attacks against their terrorist friends.

Russia invade and probe other countries airspace in or outside of conflict zones. Irrespective. Regardless. They don't give a fuck.

So you can't say oh they normally respect sovereign nations airspace and security norms, give them a bye this time. They repeatedly do it in any case.

And who are you or how are you so informed that by doing so this most recent time, they pose no threat?

If you let a country break security norms consistently breaching sovereign countries airspace with no disincentive or punishment then that in itself can pose a growing risk and threat.

[Dr Rumack]

Turkey are in NATO. There are witness accounts of Turkish engineers helping ISIS produce and move their oil. Turkish arms have been intercepted crossing into Syria. Turkish and ISIS troops have been able to move in and out each other's territory unhindered. Is this not support? What else would you call it?

When ISIS took Palmyra, they moved entire columns numbering in the thousands across hundreds of miles of desert to attack the Syrian Army. There were NATO planes observing them. Yet they didn't attack them. Why? They were bombing other targets at the time. Why not a huge column of ISIS fighters?

The sooner people realise what has happened here the sooner it will all make sense. The US and its regional allies helped to arm and finance Islamist militias in order to bring chaos to Syria and topple Assad.

Surprise surprise, a group of religious nutcases proved to be unpredictable, shattering the 'Free Syrian Army' brand by burning pilots alive and throwing ****sexuals off of rooftops. Putin has capitalised on the revulsion of Western citizens to these acts by intervening in defence of his ally Assad, notionally to defeat ISIS.

So NATO find themselves caught in a giant lie. They don't want Assad to survive. They don't want the Russians to retain influence in the region. But they can't support ISIS now either. Their grand strategy is in ruins. But Syria is too, so maybe that's some consolation.

[BKM-]

Russia invade and probe other countries airspace in or outside of conflict zones. Irrespective. Regardless. They don't give a fuck.

So you can't say oh they normally respect sovereign nations airspace and security norms, give them a bye this time. They repeatedly do it in any case.

And who are you or how are you so informed that by doing so this most recent time, they pose no threat?

If you let a country break security norms consistently breaching sovereign countries airspace with no disincentive or punishment then that in itself can pose a growing risk and threat.

By all means, "punish Russia" for those minor grievances. But you better be prepared to face the consequences. Russians are not politically correct panzies scared of international backlash.

Turkey better be prepared for the consequences of their actions, and they will be dealt out.

Turkey are in NATO. There are witness accounts of Turkish engineers helping ISIS produce and move their oil. Turkish arms have been intercepted crossing into Syria. Turkish and ISIS troops have been able to move in and out each other's territory unhindered. Is this not support? What else would you call it?

When ISIS took Palmyra, they moved entire columns numbering in the thousands across hundreds of miles of desert to attack the Syrian Army. There were NATO planes observing them. Yet they didn't attack them. Why? They were bombing other targets at the time. Why not a huge column of ISIS fighters?

The sooner people realise what has happened here the sooner it will all make sense. The US and its regional allies helped to arm and finance Islamist militias in order to bring chaos to Syria and topple Assad.

Surprise surprise, a group of religious nutcases proved to be unpredictable, shattering the 'Free Syrian Army' brand by burning pilots alive and throwing ****sexuals off of rooftops. Putin has capitalised on the revulsion of Western citizens to these acts by intervening in defence of his ally Assad, notionally to defeat ISIS.

So NATO find themselves caught in a giant lie. They don't want Assad to survive. They don't want the Russians to retain influence in the region. But they can't support ISIS now either. Their grand strategy is in ruins. But Syria is too, so maybe that's some consolation.

Wow thanks for posting the truth. A lot of people here need it. The American propaganda is strong, let us not forget(The claims of Russian propaganda is just projection on their part)

[Enayze]

Oh boy Enayze's back yippee! Actually you've just changed my opinion on what the Russians are doing. Bombing ISIS? Terrible! We should just let them be they're not hurting anyone!

You're so desperate for good news regarding Russia that you couldn't wait to highlight Russia's Isis campaign. Regardless of what they do with Isis it still doesn't justify Russias belligerent actions specifically in the past two years. The economy in Russia is in very poor condition and their Ukrainian escapade didn't turn out the way they hoped so it wouldn't be out of the realm of probability that their ISIS campaign is to keep people's minds off their failure in Ukraine and their problems domestically.

[Kris Silver]

By all means, "punish Russia" for those minor grievances. But you better be prepared to face the consequences. Russians are not politically correct panzies scared of international backlash.

Turkey better be prepared for the consequences of their actions, and they will be dealt out.

Jesus you sound like your making threats yourself.

I like the way you don't really address any of the points made or answer any of the questions. So Turkey should be punished just for being one of the first at least very recently, to respond to Russias provocation and airspace breach.

As if the world should go on tolerating having there sovereign airspaces probed and breached by Russia, never dare do a thing about it, or they'll be threatened even more.

Get real.

[BKM-]

Jesus you sound like your making threats yourself.

I like the way you don't really address any of the points made or answer any of the questions. So Turkey should be punished just for being one of the first at least very recently, to respond to Russias provocation and airspace breach.

As if the world should go on tolerating having there sovereign airspaces probed and breached by Russia, never dare do a thing about it, or they'll be threatened even more.

Get real.

Oh yes the world is in such dire straits because Russia breaches airspace rules so that they can kill Pisslamic terrorist scum. We're so much worse off because of that fault from Russia, not Turkey's faults which are helping Isis delibirately.

Oh yes Turkey was in such danger from the Russian plane, they really had to shoot it to try and murder the pilot. It's because the Russian plane was gonna like, totally bomb Turkey, not because it was planning on bombing Islamic terrorists who contribute to the ME' war. Open your eyes, dummy.

But again, by all means go ahead and shoot Russian planes and see how far it will take you. All I'm saying is, you better be prepared to suffer the consequences. When you do something like that, the consequences will not be coming from a country that is cuckolded by political correctness and fear from international backlash. Good luck. I'm off to work.

[Kris Silver]

Oh yes the world is in such dire straits because Russia breaches airspace rules so that they can kill Pisslamic terrorist scum. We're so much worse off because of that fault from Russia, not Turkey's faults which are helping Isis delibirately.

Oh yes Turkey was in such danger from the Russian plane, they really had to shoot it to try and murder the pilot. It's because the Russian plane was gonna like, totally bomb Turkey, not because it was planning on bombing Islamic terrorists who contribute to the ME' war. Open your eyes, dummy.

But again, by all means go ahead and shoot Russian planes and see how far it will take you. All I'm saying is, you better be prepared to suffer the consequences. When you do something like that, the consequences will not be coming from a country that is cuckolded by political correctness and fear from international backlash. Good luck. I'm off to work.

Real mature sarcasm there. Again you speak as if this was an isolated incident of Russia probing, breaching airspaces of sovereign nations and provoking such incidents.

It's far from it.

Here's a nice long list of just some of the others. Because yes its rare of Russia to break security norms and behave aggressively. Nope, they repeatedly do it....frankly astonishing there's not been far more such reactions. Again notice the word reaction. I.e reaction to a country (Russia) first doing wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...4-9851309.html

[Y0@NN]

Turkey barely bombs isis and concentrates on the Kurds, they also have a juicy business with isis oil. Our good american friends have always pushed for Turkey to join the UE, as if not enough of these ****s were in our countries already. There's some major clean(s)ing to do.

[jaded]

Depends how you choose to define it. The US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar certainly supported the arming and financing of ISIS in Syria. Of course it was generally referred to as the 'Free Syrian Army' back then.

You can look up the correspondence intercepted by Wikileaks in late 2007/early 2007. Or you can even read Seymour Hersh's article 'The Redirection' in the New Yorker from 2007 which spelled out the plan to engulf Syria in chaos.

Hersh's article - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...he-redirection










Description of the Wikileaks discovery - http://www.mintpressnews.com/julian-...n-2006/209493/

Quotes made by Assange on the issue:





Jihadis were flying out of Riyadh into Syria while the CIA looked on. Nothing was done to prevent it. And weapons were supplied wholesale to what were known to be Islamist militias.

The reaction to the latest incident will tell a lot. Estimates of revenues for ISIS oil sales on Turkish territory are about $800m. If that's allowed to continue then it's hard to believe ISIS are the real enemy for NATO here.

There is nothing your links at all to support the statement in bold you make.