The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[MASTERBX]

Manny is a lying POS just like his fans.

[travestyny]

Manny is a lying POS just like his fans.

Please vote. I want this poll to be accurate. Thanks!

[travestyny]

Doctor's analysis of how Pac had to endure the pain of that partial thickness rotator cuff tare.



http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12849868

Only problem is she talked to his doctor, and said it was a PARTIAL THICKNESS TEAR!!!

How did she get this information wrong when she is a specialist and talked to the doctor?

[maguirre]

Pointless asking questions in which the only answers you want are the ones you want to believe. Even pointless is bothering to answer any question from these floydhype people with talibanized mentality. I doubt this TS would do the same research detailing his idol Floyd's regular use of IV to mask PEDs in his system. You won't believe such people exist. Hehe...

[ADP02]

You forgot to use this evidence ..... oh wait, I debunked it! I'm sure if the rest of your speculations are carefully analyzed, they would get debunked as well!!!

The supposed picture of Manny holding a flag 1 month after surgery DEBUNKED:
How do you know that the picture was taken on or around 1 month after the surgery? Were they not speculating like you are when they said what they said "Manny must be recovering well?"

Look at Manny's clothes, shoes, gloves, flag. Look familiar? This is when Manny was in LA's Griffith park training for the Floyd fight.



Now compare to Manny in this picture?



Then check out the skyline in the above picture and compare it to the one below. Just like the first picture, this picture below was taken from Griffith park that is close to LA. It is the same to me!!! You wanted proof, you got it!

[travestyny]

You forgot to use this evidence ..... oh wait, I debunked it! I'm sure if the rest of your speculations are carefully analyzed, they would get debunked as well!!!

The supposed picture of Manny holding a flag 1 month after surgery DEBUNKED:
How do you know that the picture was taken on or around 1 month after the surgery? Were they not speculating like you are when they said what they said "Manny must be recovering well?"

Look at Manny's clothes, shoes, gloves, flag. Look familiar? This is when Manny was in LA's Griffith park training for the Floyd fight.



Now compare to Manny in this picture?



Then check out the skyline in the above picture and compare it to the one below. Just like the first picture, this picture below was taken from Griffith park that is close to LA. It is the same to me!!! You wanted proof, you got it!

Yes, you did. Why would I add it if you debunked it? Congratulations.

Are you going to debunk all of the other evidence?

What do you think of the pictures of him with his hands wrapped and his sparring partners at the morning run....but then they cancel sparring when USADA turns up. Why would they have his hands wrapped and his sparring partners present when he wasn't going to spar because of an injury?

Explain.

oh...and post up your information about Floyd's shoulder, please.

[Left Hook Tua]

Don't know the full extent of the injury.

BUT he was injured.

His sparring partners confirmed it. Plus remember he didn't spar for several days, weeks at some point thru camp.

I think he reinjured it during the fight too.

So maybe it wasn't severe or partially healed by fight time but he made it worse with all that swinging at air.

[ADP02]

ADP02 himself didn't suspect the so called injury could be labeled a full thickness rotator cuff tear

DEBUNK #2: Myself and I'm sure many people here didn't even know exactly what was a full thickness tear beforehand. So how can we suspect something we didn't know?

I told you, only once you mentioned it did I even realize. I had actually viewed that video before you showed me and still I didn't realize what's up.

Thanks to you, I got informed and we now know that Manny was basically fighting with one arm.

[ADP02]

Pac did not mention it once

DEBUNK #3: This is getting to be too easy.

- NSAC confirmed BEFORE the fight that Manny was injured
- USADA confirmed that Manny requested BEFORE the fight if meds prescribed are legal
- Doctor confirmed that Manny had an injury BEFORE the fight. Yes the same doctor that performed surgery on KOBE!!!

[travestyny]

Don't know the full extent of the injury.

BUT he was injured.

His sparring partners confirmed it. Plus remember he didn't spar for several days, weeks at some point thru camp.

I think he reinjured it during the fight too.

So maybe it wasn't severe or partially healed by fight time but he made it worse with all that swinging at air.

I can agree that he may have been injured to some degree, but no way was it a full thickness rotator cuff tear.

I talked about him sparring. They gave statements bout why he didn't spar. On one of the days they said it was because USADA visited. On that day, there is a picture of him signing a glove for Karl Malone. His hands are wrapped, and then that's when USADA arrives and they canceled sparring after he gave blood. There is no way they would have wrapped his hands if he wasn't going to spar.

Also on the same day, there is a video of his morning workout with sparring partners and he was throwing the right while exercising in the park. It's clear that they planned on sparring this day, and then canceled because of what they said. USADA came to take blood.

http://www.asianfightscene.com/2015/...-day-in-a-row/

Why would they wrap his hands if he had already planned not to spar. The reason given seems to be the legit reason.



Manny's arm looked good during the morning workout on this day! Also, sparring partners were present! Manny was waiting to spar before USADA came!
@2:00


And here is the word of a different sparring partner:
Keandre Gibson notices no injury during sparring sessions.
“We were there to spar with him, so they weren’t telling us no information….but I didn’t see there was no shoulder injury in camp.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flu7APUOK64

This guy is lying.