Do you support Socialism?

[RJJp4pbaby]

You said you will not accept anecdotal evidence, yet proceeded to offer anecdotal evidence of your own.

You also made several personal attacks in your post.

put his personal attacks aside, what he said at the end was true to the T. It seems that you are proveldeged (judging from your front room in the vid with a big ass plasma screen) so it is easy for you to say when you are already rich. This delusion makes bourgeoie people feel good about maintaining the status quo: money going from the poor proletariat into the pockets of the rich.

[Tlahuizcalpante]

Angry selfish people who never had to work hard tend to dislike socialism or people who buy into the misguided idea of it. I think every person deserves some basic fundamentals. Who can argue vs healthcare and education for every person? Oh no some of my hard earned money is paying for some poor kid who broke his arm!! How terrible.

[Dr.Depravity]

Something needs to be done when uninsured individuals go to the ER and the hospital has to foot the bill. There needs to be universal coverage but not a nationalized system. Not sure exactly how to get there.

Hospitals don't take the hit. You and I do with increased cost. I worked at a hospital, and no business "takes the hit" that loss is made up by increased fees.

[Dr.Depravity]

Angry selfish people who never had to work hard tend to dislike socialism or people who buy into the misguided idea of it. I think every person deserves some basic fundamentals. Who can argue vs healthcare and education for every person? Oh no some of my hard earned money is paying for some poor kid who broke his arm!! How terrible.

I don't work to feed, cloth, pay medical expenses or educate other peoples kids. I work to take care of my family.

[RJJp4pbaby]

I don't work to feed, cloth, pay medical expenses or educate other peoples kids. I work to take care of my family.

I'm assuming your rich enough to send your kids to private school then. So you think if poor kids had no schools and worked in factories, that would be better for the society that your rich kids will grow up to live in?

Hospitals don't take the hit. You and I do with increased cost. I worked at a hospital, and no business "takes the hit" that loss is made up by increased fees.

It's a damn shame that a hospital is run as a business. A bvusiness has vested interests and would do anything to make money. A conflict of interest between profit and care which is unethical and against the hypocratic oath. that bit in sicko about doc's getting bonuses for turning down treatment is quite disturbing. over here they get bonuses for keeping people healthy. Them ER docs salaries will probably be affected my $orientated management telling them to keep costs down on uninsured patients.

[!! Shawn]

Angry selfish people who never had to work hard tend to dislike socialism or people who buy into the misguided idea of it. I think every person deserves some basic fundamentals. Who can argue vs healthcare and education for every person? Oh no some of my hard earned money is paying for some poor kid who broke his arm!! How terrible.

More like oh no my money is going to pay for treatment of the fatass that has heart disease because they couldn't but down the cheese burger...

[Salty]

Huge levels of economic inequality exist in every country in the world; except in this one, it is much more possible to increase your wealth and stature than anywhere else. We're the strongest country in the world because we have the greatest mixture of cultures and we use a wide variety of different economic systems. Like you have posted, our police force, public education system, etc are socialistic in nature, yet work fairly well. But our Government also owns Amtrak, which loses a billion and a half dollars per year. Your argument reads "well if a beer a day is good for you, a case a day must be great," which simply isn't true.

Except in America, are you ****ing kidding me? The first result on a quick google search has given me this quote...

As of 2006, the United States had one of the highest levels of income inequality, as measured through the Gini index, among high income countries, comparable to that of some middle income countries such as Russia or Turkey,[15] being one of only few developed countries where inequality has increased since 1980

You have the two richest men in the world who have larger networths than some GDP's in the world. I never said privatization should not be avoided completely, just on services which could infringe on peoples basic rights to education and health services.

Capitalism hasn't failed in this country. We are in a downturn, which happens in a cyclical economy, and which was caused in great part by the huge numbers of bank failures over the last year. Almost all of these were due to banks being forced into making bad loans by organizations like ACORN. We had inflation, mostly caused by oil skyrocketing to 146 dollars a barrel, due to our huge consumption (20 million barrels per day) and complete unwillingness to drill for more (or convert coal to oil, or mine oil shale, build new nuclear power plants, etc and artificially driven up by futures speculation.)

The bank failures have been caused by a greed driven mentality of mortgage brokers and the bribing of credit rating agencies. They both made a ****load of money by doing so, thus have no regrets for their actions even though they have crippled the world's financial system.

The top 1% in this country pay as much income tax as the bottom 90%, yet people like yourself cry that they should pay more. Our government has turned into a 2+ trillion dollar a year eating slug, with an increasing population that feed off those that produce and keep begging for more.

How do you know how much the top money earners actually pay in tax? They have the ability to find ways of avoiding paying tax, while the lower income earners do not have this luxury as the benefit is heavily outweighed by the cost. If your government didn't spend ludicrous amounts on the military (which several highly influential people have a stake in the companies in this field) they would not be running such huge gov't debts in times of so called growth in your country.

You have this elitist attitude because you have some secondary education, taught by dirtbags like William Ayers and Rashid Khalidi, no doubt. I know many like you, most have never gotten dirt under their fingernails and have no idea what real work is.

How is my attitude elitist? I'm willing to pay higher taxes so my fellow country men can get free healthcare, cheaper education and income asistance. I take offence that I have "never gotten dirt under their fingernails". Have you ever worked in 42 degree C heat labouring? I think not, you sit there in your high horse without any realization of the real world. Where people of other country's actually understand and can critically assess other nations policies in an unbiased perspective. You do not even think to consider the other side of the coin for the better of your community and country as a whole.

Remember this i not communism, I can not understand how you do not see the benefits of free health care and cheap/quality education for all. Without money being the most vital part of success in the future.

[P4P Opinion]

You said you will not accept anecdotal evidence, yet proceeded to offer anecdotal evidence of your own.

You also made several personal attacks in your post.

Where did I use anecdotal evidence? The only time I made reference to anything someone said to me, I admitted that it didn't prove anything afterwards, and this was after the post you called me a hypocrite anyway! I took a relevant political dig at someone, your buddy Mizzou was just rampantly Islamophobic, be consistent please.

Don't use words you don't understand son.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The right wants to scare you with buzz words like "Socialism" and "Distribution of wealth".

The reality is, there are countries in this world that are not socialist that provide basic health care for the people than need it. Socialising health care doesn't mean you can't go to the doctor of choice, or that you will be forced to wait in huge public lines to get medical attention.

You can still see the doctor you want, keep your insurance plan and go on about your business if that's what you can afford.

"Socialising" health care is more about giving the million of Americans that don't have it, a chance to get basic treatment that every human being deserves.

We have the money, we are the richest country in the world. I mean, California is the 4th largest economy by itself. The money we spend in military spending each year can cover everything and have much more left over.

We just choose not to because of the greed of people in that business. It's time we use all this money that we are paying out of our pockets, wisely for a change.

If countries like Canada and Great Britian can do it, so can we. Just give the people than need it the right to basic health care. We don't want to be socialist or communist, we just want to have some compassion for the people that need it.

Don't worry, we don't want to take away your Porche or Mercedes Benz.

[Iamnotausername]

Its true what the poster above said.

Free Healthcare isnt socialism, its just a basic human right that everyone deserves the right to get treatment if they are ill/injured. If you get free healthcare you're not suddenly gonna be walking around in red chanting commie slogans. its understandable that poor countries may not be able to give its citizens free healthcare, but any developed nation should provide basic healthcare to its citizens as a basic right!