Free Market vs Resource Based Economy Debates

[shacasulu]

That's a fallacious question that doesn't merit a serious answer. Here...since you like videos so much, I've got one for you that is much shorter and concise. Explanation of Free market Capitalism for dummies.

Enjoy.

You cant compare the Free Market which uses a monetary system or barter system for resources against the RBE.

The RBE does not use money or barter because the technology makes its so that resources are near abundance levels.

Now RBE has some form of socialism in the context that it wants to give everybody on the planet a shelter, food, and water but dont get it twisted its not all like your video describes.

[One_Tycoon]

You cant compare the Free Market which uses a monetary system or barter system for resources against the RBE.

The RBE does not use money or barter because the technology makes its so that resources are near abundance levels.

Now RBE has some form of socialism in the context that it wants to give everybody on the planet a shelter, food, and water but dont get it twisted its not all like your video describes.

This of course is nonsense. Resource based economy = another attempt at Socialism dressed up as something else, ignoring what motivates humans/individuals and incentivizes innovation and hard work.

http://www.reasonforliberty.com/econ...s-project.html

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[One_Tycoon]

but dont get it twisted its not all like your video describes.

I didn't say that video addressed RBE...I posted it because you don't understand Free Market Capitalism and what individual liberty is all about. Take your RBE central planning scheme to North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela....they might view it as a welcome addition to what they're already doing.

Then report back to us. Until then.....

[shacasulu]

This of course is nonsense. Resource based economy = another attempt at Socialism dressed up as something else, ignoring what motivates humans/individuals and incentivizes innovation and hard work.

http://www.reasonforliberty.com/econ...s-project.html

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Are you serious? That piece ignores majorly a huge point the RBE use and that is technology.

Technology is something that piece ignores greatly and is a huge reason why resources wont be as scarce as they were a century ago.

Horrible written piece not taking into account ALL HUGE POINTS WHY RBE CAN POSSIBLY WORK.

[shacasulu]

I didn't say that video addressed RBE...I posted it because you don't understand Free Market Capitalism and what individual liberty is all about. Take your RBE central planning scheme to North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela....they might view it as a welcome addition to what they're already doing.

Then report back to us. Until then.....

"Resource based economy = another attempt at Socialism dressed up as something else, ignoring what motivates humans/individuals and incentivizes innovation and hard work. "

LOL are you arguing with yourself????

You post a video on how to understand capitalism/free market and your video ****s on socialism to further prove its arguments, then you say RBE equals another way for socialism, then say ignore the socialism things of that video when the video used ****ting on socialism to further prove its points and how socialism destroys the free market. LOL

Free Market/Capitalist always blame the state/government of intervening in the free market when in fact the freakin private citizens or citizen owning a business started bribing the damn state/government for the most part in the first place. We gonna act like that isnt a problem???

THIS IS THE FREE MARKET, RIGHT HERE NOW WORKING PERFECTLY FINE. THE BUSINESSES JUST USE THE STATE TO GAIN A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ITS COMPETITION AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY DONT TELL YOU ENOUGH. THEY DONT MENTION ENOUGH HOW THE COMPETITIVE INCENTIVE IN THE FREE MARKET CAN LEAD TO MURDER, CORRUPTION, THRASHING THE PLANET ALL FOR SELF PRESERVATION.

Sorry for the capital letter but I cant emphasize that fact enough and that is a fact nobody cant dispute.

DONT EVEN TRY IT IS FUTILE.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

"Resource based economy = another attempt at Socialism dressed up as something else, ignoring what motivates humans/individuals and incentivizes innovation and hard work. "

LOL are you arguing with yourself????

You post a video on how to understand capitalism/free market and your video ****s on socialism to further prove its arguments, then you say RBE equals another way for socialism, then say ignore the socialism things of that video when the video used ****ting on socialism to further prove its points and how socialism destroys the free market. LOL

Free Market/Capitalist always blame the state/government of intervening in the free market when in fact the freakin private citizens or citizen owning a business started bribing the damn state/government for the most part in the first place. We gonna act like that isnt a problem???

THIS IS THE FREE MARKET, THE BUSINESSES JUST USE THE STATE TO GAIN A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ITS COMPETITION.

That is a fact you cannot dispute.

Government officials are to blame since they are bought and paid for, yet you want to give them even more power.. It wouldn't look good.. The bigger and more centralized the government, the worse the Economy and growth become.. As the US government has gotten much bigger over the last 80 years, the economy has slowly eroded and now we are bankrupt.. Giving politicians more power and control will only drive us lower... The founding fathers knew what they were doing when they tried to limit the scope of government.. Any country, any time in history, the more controlling governments produce the worst results.. Look at China, Russia, Cuba, etc..
We need to fix corrupt, wasteful government instead of blaming free markets.

[shacasulu]

Government officials are to blame since they are bought and paid for, yet you want to give them even more power.. It wouldn't look good.. The bigger and more centralized the government, the worse the Economy and growth become.. As the US government has gotten much bigger over the last 80 years, the economy has slowly eroded and now we are bankrupt.. Giving politicians more power and control will only drive us lower... The founding fathers knew what they were doing when they tried to limit the scope of government.. Any country, any time in history, the more controlling governments produce the worst results.. Look at China, Russia, Cuba, etc..
We need to fix corrupt, wasteful government instead of blaming free markets.

Politicians are not going to be the ones creating the RBE, its going to be engineers and scientists

WTF have politicians done for society for the most part anyways??? Maybe here and there they done something but its the technology that has for the most part help advance our civilization.

Also your saying "Dont blame the businesses that bribed the government, blame the government for accepting the bribes". I seriously disagree with that notion because I would rather eliminate the first incentive that came into play for the most part which was the business SEEKING A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ITS COMPETITORS.

Have you seen any of the debates???

Both RBE guys drive this point because its the reason why the free market capitalism has a strong predisposition to eventually corrupt

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Politicians are not going to be the ones creating the RBE, its going to be engineers and scientists

WTF have politicians done for society for the most part anyways??? Maybe here and there they done something but its the technology that has for the most part help advance our civilization.

I agree to a certain extent, technology can solve a lot of our problems, but the best technology is born out of a free market.. If it's centralized planned economy, technology that changes the world will not be produced..

We just need term limits, accountability, transparency especially with money spending, and no political parties- let every candidate be an independent and on their own instead of always touting the party line

[shacasulu]

I agree to a certain extent, technology can solve a lot of our problems, but the best technology is born out of a free market.. If it's centralized planned economy, technology that changes the world will not be produced..

We just need term limits, accountability, transparency especially with money spending, and no political parties- let every candidate be an independent and on their own instead of always touting the party line

Thats not always the case.

Why are we still using cars with gasoline when the electric car has already been invented???

Why are we still using fossil fuels for energy when geothermal energy completely ****s on it???

Oh I get its because they have not found a way to make it so that the consumers will buy it right???

We cant be like that forever because we are ****ting the planet away with pollution I mean we cant **** on it forever or wait like a century more till the "free market" finally produces a damn electric car that most consumers will buy. Its just not efficient enough for the planet. There is not a good enough reason to **** on the planet for centuries just because the freakin consumers didnt like the first electric cars.

If its an individualism thing the 3D printing technology will solve that because YOU WILL DESIGN IT IN ITS AESTHETIC PROPERTIES THAT YOU LIKE.

It will just run on electricity or maybe even water if technology advances enough by that point which is quite possible.

Watch this debate as the RBE guy is an engineer and he explains the technology parts of the RBE.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Thats not always the case.

Why are we still using cars with gasoline when the electric car has already been invented???

Why are we still using fossil fuels for energy when geothermal energy completely ****s on it???

Oh I get its because they have not found a way to make it so that the consumers will buy it right???

We cant be like that forever because we are ****ting the planet away with pollution I mean we cant **** on it forever or wait like a century more till the "free market" finally produces a damn electric car that most consumers will buy. Its just not efficient enough for the planet. There is not a good enough reason to **** on the planet for centuries just because the freakin consumers didnt like the first electric cars.

If its an individualism thing the 3D printing technology will solve that because YOU WILL DESIGN IT IN ITS AESTHETIC PROPERTIES THAT YOU LIKE.

It will just run on electricity or maybe even water if technology advances enough by that point which is quite possible.

Watch this debate as the RBE guy is an engineer and he explains the technology parts of the RBE.

I agree that we are using a lot of outdated technology that could be replaced by much more efficient tech..
Free markets are the way to go, but like I said in earlier post, they need to be regulated and government can ban harmful products.. They don't because they are in the pockets of big business that will leach every dollar they can..
Freedom is always the best option, it's a remarkable concept..