Quran vs Bible how do WE really know which is the truth?

[squealpiggy]

Nothing wrong with that. Its only ok to marry your sons wife if shes hot probably makes more sense than any other religious rule Ive ever read.

Sure. But this is how it went down:

These are the words of the Almighty god Allah and are unchanging and inscrutable... hubba hubba.... ok that one can be changed!

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I'll concede that the bible has been lost, rediscovered, edited, re-edited and translated for a couple of thousand years.

But the quran was invented by an illiterate camel merchant who kept on making up new rules to justify him breaking the old ones.

Actually it's amazing to me how people confuse this over and over again. The ORIGINAL texts of the Bible are still in existence today, any deviation of the text would be met with immediate condemnation.

What the Bible has been is translated a million times, therefore the different "versions". That's why the Bible has the King James version, the Gideon Bible, New English version etc....

The original texts though are still in existence, unlike the Quran.

The Quran was written over a period of 40+ years and Mohamed himself admitted parts of it were lost, claiming a "Goat ate it".

There is no original Quran in existence for scholars to study over.

[Nuurzhaelan]

the bible has been lost, changed, edited over the centuries. You can buy several bibles if not hundreds of different verisons. can the truth have several versions?

Lets look at the Quran its has been persevered not a single letter has been changed ever and this is how it was then and how it is now. Even the phonetics are preserved so if i say a word in a different way someone can notice a mistake.

How do you explain this Christians?

I am Catholic. The word of God is perfect. It is, however, filtered through human beings. That is one of the reasons the Mass was celebrated in Latin; fewer people to interpret and corrupt or object to the message. Some say it was a control issue, and I cannot deny that, but we were taught that it was also a matter of interpretation. Of course, that's a slippery slope. If the congregation does not understand the message it makes little sense to preach it.

There is also the reason of translation. As many know, literal translations are often confusing and even contradictory to what is intended. The bible has been argued to be allegorical which would only add to the problem. It is easy to understand why the bible has so many versions.

[Amazinger]

Muhamoody and hsi companion copied some of his BS from the old testament too...And if you saying that the quran is was never altered then it is still ****ed since some of it came from the old testament.Quran/Muhamoody is even confused about Isaac being sacrificed.Where does the sun rise,etc.etc.

[-Lowkey-]

What most Christians refuse to believe or admit, if they dont already know, is the Old and New Testaments of the Bible are the first "feel good" fictional dramas ever made. Yes, you read that correctly. They are fiction. While the main characters, Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Noah, David etc. may have been real people, the stories are indeed fiction. Whoa! Hold on there Christian believers. Cast not your stones and gather unto me and I shall tell thee of what I speak.

What most Christians do not know is that in 325 A.D., Emperor Constantine convened the first Council of Nicaea. This council's purpose was to establish a uniform Christian Doctrine. Representatives of all Christiandom were present. What the history books do not mention is the Council's real purpose was to prevent an empire-wide war between the Christians and the Pagans. Conflict between the two threatened to tear the Roman Empire apart at the seems and Constantine, a devout pagan until he was on his death bed, did not want to go down in history as the emperor who let the empire slip down the drain. So, he came up with a brilliant plan to save the empire and hence, the Council of Nicaea was the result.

At this council, issues were resolved such as the proper date for Easter, the birth date of Christ, the relationship between God and Jesus as well as the issue of Christ's standing as a deity. However, the most substantial product of this council was the construction of the New Testament of the Bible as we know it today. Specifically, the Council determined what scriptures were to be included in the New Testament and what scriptures were not included.

In doing so, select writings from the various Apostles were selected. All of these writing were carefully vetted so as to preserve a common theme: the Church's claim as the sole conduit between man and God. As a dynamic of this decision, the concept of the superiority of men over women was carefully preserved. Why? Simple. Men were the most common holders of power back in those days and did not want anything to disturb that claim. Therefore, women were denounced as little more than heretics. The reason behind this crucial decision rests in the notion that Mary Magdalene, not Peter, was chosen by Christ to lead the church. There have been a number of writings and other documents that suggest a matrimonial relationship between Christ and Mary Magdalene, but Im not going to get into that here.

In any event, the council devised December 25th as Christ's birth date. In fact, we know this date to be an important date on the Pagan calendar. Prior to this council, Christ was not commonly thought of as a deity. Rather, he was thought of as a prophet. In fact, the Jewish faith still considers Jesus merely a prophet and not the Messiah. The writings of the Apostles were indeed "edited" to support the council's decision to hoist Jesus to the level of Deity. Mary Magdalene, who was of royal blood, was transformed to the station of a common whore who wiped the feet of Jesus with her hair. There is proof that Mary Magdalene was royalty of the House of David. Therefore, it was very unlikely that she was a whore.

One of the main motives behind the council's formation was to preserve the Roman hold on its middle eastern territories. Jesus was of the Royal House of David as well. One of the facts that supports the matrimonial union theory between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is the King of the House of David was overthrown and executed by the Romans when they seized power in the region many centuries before. The Romans could ill afford to have the thrown reconstituted by the union of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Therefore, as previously stated, Christ was hoisted the level of a deity and Magdalene was denounced as a whore in order to cast doubt on the notion of their marriage. Why would the Romans care about that? In the first instance, the spice trade through the region was extremely lucrative and a mainstay of the Roman revenue in that time. More importantly however, the Middle East was the trade route for the precious Egyptian grain supply to Rome. Without this supply of grain, Rome literally starved. As a result, the Romans were not going to allow anything to threaten Roman control of this region. The possibility of the Jewish Monarch returning to the throne was perceived as a threat and something that had to be handled with a quickness. Most will argue to the death that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were not married. However, there is no way that a Jewish man in those time would ever be single at the age of 33. That was a stoning offense in those days and therefore, it was very, very unlikely that he was single at the time of his death.

With all of this in mind, it comes into glaring relief why the council was formed and the purpose that it served. It preserved the Roman Empire from destruction by literally forging a religion based on fiction and half truths. We are all lucid adults for the most part. In light if the Council's motives, what is more believable? A man healed the sick, raised the dead and walked on water or was he just a man who's simple message was love your neighbor? Was he A man who was literally the Son of God or a man who was truly holy, married a woman, had children and was persecuted for his message and executed for it by a tyrannical regime desperate to maintain power in a region that was unstable at best?

Turning to the Old Testament of the Bible, the same factors apply. What is more believable? A man built a huge boat that, if constructed today, would not withstand the rigors of the open ocean due to its size or was it merely a parable of hope thought up by a race of people who were suffering great hardship and oppression for centuries? How about the story of Moses? Did a man really part the Red Sea, follow a pillar of fire to the Holy land, speak to a burning bush and then, miraculously find two tablets with commandments on them? Or was he just a man who was lucky enough to convince the Egyptians to let his people out of bondage? Moreover, after many years of roaming in the desert, found himself clinging to authority by his fingernails and had to come up with a set of rules to keep these people from scattering to the four winds?

All of the Old Testament stories exalt bravery, hope, righteousness and hope; all the necessary ingredients to preserve the hope of an oppressed people suffering the worst hardships this world has ever known. They are not literal or true stories any more than the stories conjured and edited by the Council of Nicaea that make up the New Testament.

In the end, the only result of this council other than the preservation of the Roman Empire for another couple hundred years, was the demonification of women which lead to their slaughter by the millions over the next several centuries. In fact, the Catholic Church in 1486 went so far as to print a "how to" book that details how to detect heretical females (witches) and how to dispose of them. The book is called Malleus Maleficarum (latin for "The Hammer of Witches").

The most horrific things in human history have been committed in the name of Religion. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, just to name a couple. Deaths totaling in the tens of millions have been racked up by the Christian Church in order to preserve its claim as the only conduit between man and God.

Christianity is a well organized sham built upon a pile of crap. True holiness lives and breathes in righteous thought and actions. Ive seen enough ugliness in this **** hole called the holy land to even consider believing otherwise.

Christians and Muslims alike seem to have the same issue of misinterpreting their religion to fit a preordained political agenda. Nope, not interested, thank you very much. Both religions can have at it without me.

To any believers in the Word who are offended by this post dont reply with angry statements or try to get all roudy with the keyboard or any other nonsense. :-D

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Muhamoody and hsi companion copied some of his BS from the old testament too...And if you saying that the quran is was never altered then it is still ****ed since some of it came from the old testament.Quran/Muhamoody is even confused about Isaac being sacrificed.Where does the sun rise,etc.etc.

Actually, even Muslim scholars have admitted that the Quran was copied from the Bible, some had to leave their homes because of death threats.

It would be logical since the Bible predated the Quran by 1200 years or so..

[BoZz]

Actually it's amazing to me how people confuse this over and over again. The ORIGINAL texts of the Bible are still in existence today, any deviation of the text would be met with immediate condemnation.

What the Bible has been is translated a million times, therefore the different "versions". That's why the Bible has the King James version, the Gideon Bible, New English version etc....

The original texts though are still in existence, unlike the Quran.

The Quran was written over a period of 40+ years and Mohamed himself admitted parts of it were lost, claiming a "Goat ate it".

There is no original Quran in existence for scholars to study over.

Yes but every version of the bible is telling you something different,which one is right?

And what's up with the Islamic scholar comment?Why would they study anything over?There is no need for that because it hasn't been changed. Are you ******ed or something? lol

It's easy to tell that you have no idea what you're talking about,before you start talking about other religions learn yours first.

And please show us some kind of proof about the "goat ate it" story!!! That comment just confirmed your hate against Islam.

Islam teaches you that the bible,torah and the Qur'an are all books in which a Muslim has to believe in.

Virgin Mary is the most mentioned women in the Qur'an but I bet you didn't know that either.

If the Qur'an was written by Muhammad (pbuh) and it was just his work and not God's word why would he mention moses,jesus and his mother mary (pbut)and that's just a few of them who're also mentioned in the Bible..if the Qur'an was Muhammad's (pbuh) work then why did he not talk about his own mother (pbuh)????? That's because it wasn't his work he got the revelations through the Angel Gabriel.

And what surprises me the most is that you want to debate and state facts but it's so obvious that you have no idea about your own religion let alone other religions.

You also just stated yourself that the bible has been translated a millions of times and every version of the bible is different I mean you pretend to know your bible then you know that the king james version differs from the gideon bible or w.e bible you want to pick.They all differ so the question is which one is the right one? Or are they all right? Or are they all wrong because they're all written by men and lost all meaning so how do u know what's the truth and what isn't?

The Qur'an has never been changed so no need for lies here ok if you want people to believe you give show us some kind of proof,looks like the goat you were talking about ate the last bit of brain you had left or is your stupidity related with the brain damage you suffered from sparring the kids you train in your garage mr wannabe coach

But anyways here is a video for you I hope you learn and please no more lies just facts because we all know that every ******* has an opinion and you seem to be full of them

[BoZz]

Actually, even Muslim scholars have admitted that the Quran was copied from the Bible, some had to leave their homes because of death threats.

It would be logical since the Bible predated the Quran by 1200 years or so..

What scholars are you talking about?? I'm asking you for a link or video please because your non sense doesn't make sense,they're scholars but they tend to disagree with the Qur'an??? So if they disagree with it why would they become scholars in the first place??? Or did they become scholars before they read the Qur'an??

You're so full of it ..you have no idea what you're talking about.

Muslims believe in the torah,bible and the Qur'an because they're all books with the revelations from God but the bible lost it's meaning.But since you're so smart why don't you tell us which one is the true scripture??? They can't all be right because they all differ you know that right? So your job it is to puzzle the bible together I think would be smarter than talking non sense which you have done so far

And don't talk about other religions without no proof or evidence..your hate is not fact.

[Enayze]

the bible has been lost, changed, edited over the centuries. You can buy several bibles if not hundreds of different verisons. can the truth have several versions?

Lets look at the Quran its has been persevered not a single letter has been changed ever and this is how it was then and how it is now. Even the phonetics are preserved so if i say a word in a different way someone can notice a mistake.

How do you explain this Christians?

The bible has not been changed or edited over the centuries. The Dead Sea Scrolls which were discovered in the 40's prove this. The copy of the Old Testament and the Gospels which were part of the dead sea scrolls dated back to 2000 years ago are identical to the copies of the bible we have today. The dead sea scrolls are actually the oldest bibles in existence. Do your research.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yes but every version of the bible is telling you something different,which one is right?

And what's up with the Islamic scholar comment?Why would they study anything over?There is no need for that because it hasn't been changed. Are you ******ed or something? lol

It's easy to tell that you have no idea what you're talking about,before you start talking about other religions learn yours first.

And please show us some kind of proof about the "goat ate it" story!!! That comment just confirmed your hate against Islam.

Islam teaches you that the bible,torah and the Qur'an are all books in which a Muslim has to believe in.

Virgin Mary is the most mentioned women in the Qur'an but I bet you didn't know that either.

If the Qur'an was written by Muhammad (pbuh) and it was just his work and not God's word why would he mention moses,jesus and his mother mary (pbut)and that's just a few of them who're also mentioned in the Bible..if the Qur'an was Muhammad's (pbuh) work then why did he not talk about his own mother (pbuh)????? That's because it wasn't his work he got the revelations through the Angel Gabriel.

And what surprises me the most is that you want to debate and state facts but it's so obvious that you have no idea about your own religion let alone other religions.

You also just stated yourself that the bible has been translated a millions of times and every version of the bible is different I mean you pretend to know your bible then you know that the king james version differs from the gideon bible or w.e bible you want to pick.They all differ so the question is which one is the right one? Or are they all right? Or are they all wrong because they're all written by men and lost all meaning so how do u know what's the truth and what isn't?

The Qur'an has never been changed so no need for lies here ok if you want people to believe you give show us some kind of proof,looks like the goat you were talking about ate the last bit of brain you had left or is your stupidity related with the brain damage you suffered from sparring the kids you train in your garage mr wannabe coach

I know it's easier for simple minded people like you to just insult and then question my knowledge of something. It's ok, I'm accustomed to it.

First off, every version of the Bible IS NOT telling you something different, the fundamental teachings of the Bible are intact. You also said something that is completely typical and contradictory that Muslims always say. You said the Bible is corrupted because of the different "versions" yet in another sentence you say Muslims are commanded by Allah to believe in....LOL which is it?

Why would you believe in a book you think is fundamentally wrong? Kind of contradictory isn't it?

Also, the reason I said there needs to be an original text of the Quran is to AUTHENTICATE it. I'm not here to debate whether God exists or that Jesus is God, I'm just merely stating facts and dispelling myths about the "versions" of the Bible. If there is no ORIGINAL text that scholars can study over, how do we know that the version going around is the same as the original? Get my point? Probably not..........

As far as the goat story, you tell me to "know my religion" yet you don't know of this basic story about Mohamed and his writing of the Quran.

According to this Hadith (which Muslims claim to be truths):

Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of *****, Hadith # 1934

Narrated Aisha ''The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."