Andy Lee was the worst thing that could happen to Chavez Jr.

[A-Wolf]

Andy lee has a:

- Big enough name to command attention and credibility.

- Strong enough chin that he was able to allow Chavez Jr to show off his full arsenal over several rounds.

- Big heart/pride that would cause him to fight bravely until the very end.(allowing for an eventful stoppage instead of the lesser fighter defensively fighting scared)

- Good enough punch that would gain Chavez Jr credit to his chin.(despite not consistently landing clean)

- Mediocre endurance and mobility allowing Chavez Jr. to look comparatively and relatively fast.

The perfect matchup for the superior fighter to look better than he actually is.
Chavez Jr. has improved leaps and bounds over the fighter boxing circles scoffed at only a year or two ago. However nothing he or Martinez has done in recent fights changes the fact that Martinez is a P4P fighter and Chavez Jr is just a good champion.

Stopping Lee is what created the illusion that Chavez Jr is capable of beating, for some even knocking out Sergio Martinez. The reality is Martinez is going to school and seriously hurt Chavez Jr. And no, constantly displaying Chavez Sr. at press conferences will do nothing to help his son in the ring. Much has been done to prop up Chavez Jr.'s aura and image. Unfortunately for him, it won't be enough because he is massively outclassed by Martinez. Expect to see Martinez timing Chavez perfectly after a round or two and for Chavez to look confused and plodding. It's two of the best fighters in the division, so credit to them for cutting the bull**** and making the fight happen. Good luck to both men!

I don't believe I've seen enough from Chavez Jr. to draw that conclusion. Personally. Nice points otherwise.

[Coyotefury]

Hmmm, lets see....Martinez had 16 fights of TOTAL experience before that fight. No amateur background, no experience at all prior to 21 years of age and you guys using this fight as your "leverage" need to watch that fight in case you have never seen it. Martinez was whooping the crap out of Margarito until the 6th round when he stood and tried to trade with him, he didn't get KO'd the ref called it when he was pinned against the ropes.

Now fast forward 12 years and he went 9 years without a loss (the lone loss he did have was pretty much a gift to the then "HBO" fighter Williams), that's 29 fights without a loss. The lone draw he got in that stretch should have been a KO win for him against another "HBO" fighter at the time in Cintron.

Now he moves up in weight and breaks the MW champion of the world to pieces...a guy that is 4 inches taller than him and outweighed him by 11 pounds on fight night...much like Chavez will. He sliced that guy's face up like a Ginsu going through a sirloin steak and he has a MUCH better defense than Chavez "my chin is granite so I don't need to block" jr does.


Your boy is going to get a broken nose after only a few rounds and realize that he can't successfully get to Martinez due to his vast experience and longer reach. Julio also won't see any of Martinez' punches coming at him from the odd angles that Sergio throws them at, he will get caught flush numerous times and get hurt, possibly dropped.

You should not put so much faith a guy because of his size...Margarito didn't fair too well against Pacquiao did he? That is the fight you should use as your barometer for this one.

This right here^^^^^ it's like u read my mind man

[Primera]

I put all my points on the line for El Dinero de Vaca.

Mara-nina is going down. Gonna laugh when it happens.

[PD21]

The difference between Pac - Margarito and this one is that Pac was fighting an old washed up weight drained hasbeen whereas Chavez junior is young at his best and allowed to weigh in at what he wants on fight night with no repercussions. It seems he can avoid drugs test and weighing gloves etc so he has alot of advantages going into this fight.

I see it being close because of that but they are on different planets when it comes to class. Regardless how old Sergio is he has too much skill to lose this one.