I was watching a documentary on you tube about george chavalo and he was supposed to fight liston if he won. I know there was a punch but did it really knock liston out?
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What was your take on the phantom punch of ali liston 2?
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Originally posted by rightsideup View PostI was watching a documentary on you tube about george chavalo and he was supposed to fight liston if he won. I know there was a punch but did it really knock liston out?
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i ALWAYS felt it was legit if you look close you can see the snap as it hits and the impact in listons neck and his back leg kicks up , i think it was just a lightning quick perfectly timed shot that caught him right jumping in , just my opinion.
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Originally posted by TBear View PostI believe Liston was caught cold by a punch that in his prime would have had no effect. I believe it was legit but if anyone believes otherwise I could understand.
Where did Ali's "phantom punch " disappear to in his next 40 fights? Most of these were points wins or late stoppages, surely the phantom punch which flattened(?) Liston would have been put to good use?
In Ali's 61 fights he had only two 1 round kos-Liston & Robinson, 1-2-0(his 4th pro fight). He was definitely not a one punch ko fighter.
In Listons' 54 fights he was knocked out twice,by Ali(?) and Martin.
The "phantom punch" doesn't fit the equation.
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At the time I thought it was a dive.
I was very young and everyone thought it was a dive. Everyone.
Looking back, with better quality camera's and slow motion etc, I don't think it was a dive but it doesn't look like the kind of punch that Liston would take a 10 count from. But, you never know, the punch that you don't see is the one that hurts you.
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Your take on the phantom punch
First of all, that was no phantom punch!
My only question is the awkward way Sonny rolled over on his back.
I believe he was going to stay down but changed his mind, got up and was defending himself when the fight was stopped.
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