Does Roy Jones deserve to be considered an elite ATG?

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absolutely no doubt about it.

[Cardinal Buck]

Unlike Tarver II, against Del Valle Jones recovered and went on to win the fight. Tarver is hardly a one-punch power artist so it's pretty obvious that Jones' punch resistance was gone by Tarver II. Why is it so difficult to imagine that dropping back down to 175 badly hurt Jones' punch resistance?

Oh, and Ruiz is Jones' greatest victory now? FFS, I don't care if the fight WAS at Heavyweight it's still John ****ing Ruiz.

Poet

Tarver has a lot of power. Leading up to the Jones fight, he'd ended Chris Johnson and Lincoln Carter's careers. Johnson left on a stretcher. And he gave Eric Harding the beating of a lifetime. That's three stoppages, two causing retirements, of fighters with glossy records and one loss by stoppage between the three of them leading up to their fights with Tarver. Name a light heavy in the last ten years who has show better power than that.

Del Valle on the other hand has basically no significant stoppage wins. It's ridiculous to compare his power to Tarver's.

[StarshipTrooper]

Tarver has a lot of power. Leading up to the Jones fight, he'd ended Chris Johnson and Lincoln Carter's careers. Johnson left on a stretcher. And he gave Eric Harding the beating of a lifetime. That's three stoppages, two causing retirements, of fighters with glossy records and one loss by stoppage between the three of them leading up to their fights with Tarver.

Del Valle on the other hand has basically no significant stoppage wins. It's ridiculous to compare his power to Tarver's.

Chris Johnson and Lincoln Carter were non-en****** barely out of club fighter status and of the two only Johnson was a straight up KO. Carter was a TKO. Eric Harding was a hype-job who beat only ONE fighter of note, a split-decision win over Montell Griffin and even then Tarver got a TKO not a straight-up knockout. Again, hardly indicative of great power. It's no different then B-Hop who has a bunch of TKOs on his record too.

Name a light heavy in the last ten years who has show better power than that.

The Light-Heavyweight division has hardly been boxing's showcase the last 10 years.

Poet

[Cardinal Buck]

The Harding stoppage really wasn't like a Hopkins tko. Harding was winning and then turned to jelly from one straight left. The fight should've ended sooner than it did. You're also selling Harding's career short and Johnson's too. Johnson was a good amateur and could've gone on to accomplish more but that fight ended his career. Carter really did nothing significant and I don't remember that fight, so I can't really comment.

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Im sorry you don't go from your greatest performance to completely shot in a year from weight loss. a brutal ko yeah but not weight loss. his fans dont want to accept that he was ktfo close to his prime and it counts in his atg ranking.

The Ruiz fight is HARDLY Roy's greatest performance, not even close. The fight essentially boiled down to this. If Roy wasn't hit clean the fight would be a technical cake walk, but if he was he could be gone. The Ruiz fight actually made FEWER demands on the reflexes and speed upon which he was wholly dependent throughout his career than a lot of his light heavyweight fights did. The fight was not actually a challenge , it was a risk .