Notice: Mayweather beat Marquez using skill, not size (BLUEPRINT INSIDE)

[PureBoxer]

Chris John, using his boxing ability and ring generalship, set Marquez up for jabs and straight right hands. The reach advantage for John allowed him to execute this gameplan easier. It was actually first used by Freddie Norwood when he defeated Marquez earlier in his career.



Mayweather used the same blueprint. Kept JMM at a distance using his jab, took him out of his game, and then set him up for crisp straight right hands. Both examples I've shown to defeat Marquez all came down to brains, not brawn.



Let's take a look at what happens when a fighter simply comes at Marquez...



Pacquiao lacked the intelligence and/or skills. Simply relying on his 4lb weight advantage, as well as his power, reach, age, and speed advantage only set himself up for Marquez's counter-punching. Boxing is not only about who's faster, stronger, bigger etc, it's about boxing ability and boxing IQ. Pacquiao is one-dimensional compared to the best boxers, which is why he's only matched up against fighters that his style is effective against. This was proved in my video below:



Team Pacquiao claimed Pacquiao was outboxed because of his itchy socks, and were confident of a victory in the rematch due to Pacquiao being "New and Improved with power in both hands" and having "Faster foot speed and boxing ability". The results were the same as 4 years prior. After the fight, Pacquiao would face fighters tailor made for his style, and turned down $40M to fight Mayweather who's style would require him to once again adjust.

[HitBattousai]

Marquez was robbed clearly against Chris John and lost a debatable decision to Norwood, so those examples are not exactly great that you're using. But as to the primary content of your post, Mayweather beat Marquez with skill and physical advantages. Marquez lost some speed and punching effectiveness with the move up to Welter, and Floyd was able to fight as he usually did, because Marquez wasn't fast enough to catch him much and when he caught Floyd, it did nothing to him because Marquez had no power at Welter. There were only two things that could be counted in Marquez's favor going into the Floyd fight, Floyd being rusty(turned out not to be the case) and that the fight was supposed to be at 144, a weight Floyd hadn't made in years. It was a marketing point designed to make the fight appear more competitive, but Floyd, either because he couldn't or wouldn't, didn't even try to make that weight though he said "the weight is made" on 24/7, lying to everyone and jeopardizing the fight. So Marquez, who had little chance beforehand, had basically no chance at all after that, but still went on with the fight due to his warrior spirit and the prospective payday. And Floyd looked both excellent and terrible. Excellent in that the fight was basically an exhibition of his tremendous skills, terrible in his failure to make weight and safety-first mentality even against a horribly undersized and overmatched opponent.

[Bhopreign]

Marquez was robbed clearly against Chris John and lost a debatable decision to Norwood, so those examples are not exactly great that you're using. But as to the primary content of your post, Mayweather beat Marquez with skill and physical advantages. Marquez lost some speed and punching effectiveness with the move up to Welter, and Floyd was able to fight as he usually did, because Marquez wasn't fast enough to catch him much and when he caught Floyd, it did nothing to him because Marquez had no power at Welter. There were only two things that could be counted in Marquez's favor going into the Floyd fight, Floyd being rusty(turned out not to be the case) and that the fight was supposed to be at 144, a weight Floyd hadn't made in years. It was a marketing point designed to make the fight appear more competitive, but Floyd, either because he couldn't or wouldn't, didn't even try to make that weight though he said "the weight is made" on 24/7, lying to everyone and jeopardizing the fight. So Marquez, who had little chance beforehand, had basically no chance at all after that, but still went on with the fight due to his warrior spirit and the prospective payday. And Floyd looked both excellent and terrible. Excellent in that the fight was basically an exhibition of his tremendous skills, terrible in his failure to make weight and safety-first mentality even against a horribly undersized and overmatched opponent.

Skills win fights, saying Marquez had no chance basically says Floyd is just more skilled than Marquez. Marquez wouldnt beat Floyd at any weight, most agree to that notion anyway so the size notion is discounted.

[PureBoxer]

Marquez was robbed clearly against Chris John and lost a debatable decision to Norwood, so those examples are not exactly great that you're using. But as to the primary content of your post, Mayweather beat Marquez with skill and physical advantages. Marquez lost some speed and punching effectiveness with the move up to Welter, and Floyd was able to fight as he usually did, because Marquez wasn't fast enough to catch him much and when he caught Floyd, it did nothing to him because Marquez had no power at Welter. There were only two things that could be counted in Marquez's favor going into the Floyd fight, Floyd being rusty(turned out not to be the case) and that the fight was supposed to be at 144, a weight Floyd hadn't made in years. It was a marketing point designed to make the fight appear more competitive, but Floyd, either because he couldn't or wouldn't, didn't even try to make that weight though he said "the weight is made" on 24/7, lying to everyone and jeopardizing the fight. So Marquez, who had little chance beforehand, had basically no chance at all after that, but still went on with the fight due to his warrior spirit and the prospective payday. And Floyd looked both excellent and terrible. Excellent in that the fight was basically an exhibition of his tremendous skills, terrible in his failure to make weight and safety-first mentality even against a horribly undersized and overmatched opponent.

Marquez wasn't robbed against Chris John. He was outboxed and lost the fight.

[Hannibal Barca]

No point. They'll believe what the wish.

[Stuey's Revenge]

FLoyd is more skilled than Marquez. You cant discount the size advantage floyd had. For some reason floyd purposely missed weight for the 1st time ever. It's not like he would've been weight drained at 144. For some reason floyd wouldnt allow HBO to weigh him for the ppv on fight night. He didnt want anyone to know how much bigger he actually was. Size isnt why floyd won,but it didnt hurt being that much bigger. Which I guarantee was at least 10 lbs. Nobody has ever asked floyd why he purposely missed the contractual weight. That's the biggest I've seen floyd for a fight. Bigger than the DLH fight. Perhaps in that fake retirement he was taking PEDs to get bigger for the welterweight division. It takes a theif to know one. I have a feeling floyd is the "Jose Canseco" of boxing.

[check hook]

FLoyd is more skilled than Marquez. You cant discount the size advantage floyd had. For some reason floyd purposely missed weight for the 1st time ever. It's not like he would've been weight drained at 144. For some reason floyd wouldnt allow HBO to weigh him for the ppv on fight night. He didnt want anyone to know how much bigger he actually was. Size isnt why floyd won,but it didnt hurt being that much bigger. Which I guarantee was at least 10 lbs. Nobody has ever asked floyd why he purposely missed the contractual weight. That's the biggest I've seen floyd for a fight. Bigger than the DLH fight. Perhaps in that fake retirement he was taking PEDs to get bigger for the welterweight division. It takes a theif to know one. I have a feeling floyd is the "Jose Canseco" of boxing.

not a fact.

[Stuey's Revenge]

Did floyd make 144? No he didnt. That's a fact.

[o0P4PBOXING0o]

Thank you. We can abandon this debate about "skill" now. I never got it from the beggining, Any fan who claims a guy won a fight not because of skill but because of something else just doesn't get boxing.

It's all about skill.

As for John-Marquez, I really think people just call it a "robbery" because it was in Indonesia. But iv'e heard Marquez talk about that fight alot and he never really talked too badly about it. For that reason I don't think people should say it's a robbery, Marquez gave respect to Chris John.

So i dont think we can call it a robbery.

Marquez has a case about being robbed vs Pacquiao though not Chris John

[check hook]

Did floyd make 144? No he didnt. That's a fact.

doesn't mean it was on purpose.............