If Pacquiao loses to Marquez, Mayweather still won’t fight him

[Brother Jay]

no. are you a mong?

im laughing at floyd offering pacquiao 40 mil flat fee and then wondering why it isnt being accepted. 0% PPV are you for fcuking real? great offer that.

mayweather also stands to make a career high payday by the way.

A mong? No that would be the classification of 99.9% of Pacquiao's fanbase.

Manny Pacquiao has NEVER pocketed even close that figure. Its like a working stiff turning his nose up at a lottery ticket because it only for $5 million.

Pacquiao doesn't have big paydays. Arum and GBP take most of Manny's money. Nearly the full $40 million would be at Pacquiao's disposal aside from minor fees.

Manny's deal isn't even close to being structured the way that Mayweather's is. Why would Floyd give Manny that kind of money when he doesn't have to?

The sad part is that Manny's only leverage is to not fight. Manny doesn't have anything to offer that's worth what he's asking for. This is really no different than when Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60/40 split to face Mayweather. he knew it wouldn't happen as Kostya Tszyu wasn't the draw, but it was a way for him to bow out of that match somewhat gracefully without getting outclassed.

Pacquiao knows his only recourse is to keep stalling in hopes that the pressure builds and the possibility of Mayweather relenting money that Manny has no right to has a chance of becoming a reality. Manny knows that in these negotiations, Arum can't help him. Arum IS the problem. Usually, Papasan Arum make all things possible for Manny Pacquiao. except in this instance, Arum is the one stopping Floyd from making Pacquiao richer than he's ever been before.

And them's the facts.

[PAC-BOY]

this poll is outstanding. Nobody believes in Floyds heart! :WORD:

[fitefan]

let this ****ing fight go for pete's sake...smh

[STREET CLEANER]

Of course he would, the negotiation would go 90/10 in favor of Floyd

[PAC-BOY]

Of course he would, the negotiation would go 90/10 in favor of Floyd

Floyd would not fight Manny if he was getting 99.9%

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[SpeedKillz]

this poll is outstanding. Nobody believes in Floyds heart! :WORD:

or the actual reason, no one believes in manny if he loses this fight to marquez. the bradley fight was a debacle, yes, but manny loses this one, he goes from the top to the bottom overnight.

guess you didnt consider that part of the equation, did ya?? I, for one, am SHOCKED!

[djeffectz]

The one who is ducking is Mayweather, Pac have nothing to lose, he already have 3 loses on his record, he have a career after boxing unlike Mayweather, so what's there to lose, Nothing! Mayweather thinks that hes the greatest boxer of all time cause of his "0" it doesn't work that way, even Mike Tyson said that Mayweather is ducking Pac. He said that if you want to be the best you have to fight everyone, that's why Ali is the greatest of all time, he fought everyone. That's why Mayweather will never get credit, Pac gets more credit to his resume than him.

[PAC-BOY]

or the actual reason, no one believes in manny if he loses this fight to marquez. the bradley fight was a debacle, yes, but manny loses this one, he goes from the top to the bottom overnight.

guess you didnt consider that part of the equation, did ya?? I, for one, am SHOCKED!

you so narrow minded you missed the big picture.... The poll shows nobody believing in Floyd doofus. You really dont know nothing about boxing. WOW . :WORD:

[SpeedKillz]

you so narrow minded you missed the big picture.... The poll shows nobody believing in Floyd doofus. You really dont know nothing about boxing. WOW . :WORD:

wow is how your cerebral cortex works in order to make you truly believe the complete and utter 100% bs that you write. I dono how you have a social life, cause you clearly have very basic psychological issues that many children outgrow before they hit puberty. I guess one flew over the cuckoos nest in this case. You are too stupid to even insult if you actually believe what you just wrote

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

get a clue kid. pac loses, obvs floyd is gonna have even less interest in fighting him. if pac loses, the pac hype is completely washed away. it'll only take this match to make disappear. but you pray that pac wins, I know I will be...

[bayareamike]

First off, Manny Pacquiao is not over the hill. Pacquiao has all the abilities he had in previous years.

The only difference between now and then is Pacquiao made the mistake of opting to fight more mobile boxers who can actually box and move at the same time in his last two fights.

All this talk of Pacquiao losing a step or being over the hill is just preemptive excuses now that the legions of pacterds have seen the limits of what Pacquiao can do against men who aren't weight drain by mannyweights.

After having seen that, the Pacterd cult decided it was time to go into damage control. Calling Pacquiao passed prime gave him an excuse to look bad in their eyes. While at the same time any success Manny may have might be viewed as "Even though he's shot look at the warrior's heart still beating in him". Pacterds figured lowering the bar could work in Manny's favor while still allowing him to accomplish more under more seemingly difficult circumstances.

Its the same shit Pacterds pulled when Pacquiao decided to let mannyweights mar his run at WW and jrMW. They claimed that Manny was "too small" for WW ... and that catchweights have been used before. They neglected to mention that Pacquiao had been weighing in at around 144 on fight night since his fight with Barrera though.

No one buys that shit. Well no one but pacterds.

Next, why would Floyd fight Pacquiao if he lost? Pacquiao was never the draw. Pacquiao was never a top 3 WW. Pacquiao was never a top 4 jrMW. The only reason that Pacquiao got a chance for a fight with the #1 WW & jrMW in the world is because the fans wanted it.

And the biggest roadblock has been Pacquiao asking for more than his fair share. Floyd allowed Manny EVERYTHING he wanted back in 09. Even the crazy $10 million for every pound over 147. Mayweather even conceded to a testing cutoff. Then Pacquiao backed out because Floyd's primary demand was OST with USADA.

See ... this is currently the problem. Pacquiao is making demands as if he didn't just lose. Manny unofficially lost to Marquez but got a gift, but he received his karma behind that and lost to Bradley OFFICIALLY. Pacquiao is in no position to demand equal money in a match with boxing's #1 fighter and the largest draw in the sport. But apparently his cult believes that he is.

Show me proof that Manny is really willing to do WHATEVER Floyd wants. Pacquiao stating that in a video or article doesn't count as he's said this before and reneged plenty of times. I want to see Manny's name signed on a contract that reflects his understanding that he's negotiating from a position of weakness .. and as such he concedes that he cannot demand equal money.

There's more than one way to turn a fight down. Pricing yourself out of it is simply another way. Mayweather offered Pacquiao $40 million .. which is more than Pacquiao has EVER earned by a significant margin .. to make the fight. And if Pacquiao had left Arum out of this deal, he would pocket most of the money for the first time in his career!

Instead, Manny Pacquiao does questionable **** like firing VisionQwest for trying to ascertain what exactly was going on with his own finances, and clinging to Arum's empty promises, tight-fists and deep pockets when its Manny's own asss on the line in the ring and when the creditors come knocking.

How many loans does this man need to take from Arum???

And how smart does Manny have to be to see that Arum did the same thing to both DelaHoya and Mayweather before they woke up and saw how much more money was available for them personally once Arum's greedy hands were removed from THEIR pockets?

Remember, Arum told Mayweather that he couldn't guarantee the $20 million against DelaHoya because and I quote "the money just isn't there". Mayweather went on to break all records in his match against DLH BECAUSE he got rid of Arum.

Now here's the question: If Manny had to hire an outside, independent agency to sift through his own money to see where Arum was screwing him, then wouldn't getting rid of Arum .. even just for the fight against Mayweather .. be the GREATEST indication that Pacquiao really wanted to make the fight happen?

Making claims on video and in interviews means LESS THAN ZERO. Pacquiao's done it before and then turned tail each time.

If Pacquiao wants the boxing world to really believe that he has the heart to step in the ring with Floyd, he should cut the puppet strings and stop allowing himself to seem like some simple-minded, child-like imbecile who cannot think or speak for himself when Arum or Roach are in the same room. It should be embarrassing to REAL Pacquiao fans to see Manny degrade himself by pretending that Roach and Arum are his "Daddies" that he looks to for every decision he makes including which hand to use to wipe his own asss.

"Ask my pramoda".

This is a 30 something year old man who has lived in the United States for years. He's given full interviews on Jimmy Kimmel in English, but for some reason when the hard questions are asked, Manny Pacquiao falls back into an Asian stereotype and can't speak anything but limited, broken English and all eye contact goes out the door.

Everyone who has a brain knows that Arum is standing in the way of this megafight exactly in the same way he stood in the way of the Mayweather/DLH and the Mayweather/Cotto fight. Even Cotto woke up and realized that he had to cut Arum loose to get the fight with Floyd done.

Pacterds can't be that stupid. They can't really believe that Arum is looking out for Manny's best interests.

Can they?

Didn't read. Lol