Objectively, which of Pac's catchweights were unfair?

[SplitSecond]

a solid reason as to why manny asked for the extra 2 lbs. I know its hard to come up with one, especially when throughout history the fighter that is the larger earner leverages that to get every advantage possible.

how about to lessen the fight night weight of cotto?
that's usually the purpose of catchweights, both guys meet halfway
one guy gains muscle mass that he's not completely comfortable with, the other guys loses some mass so when both get in the ring it's a little fairer and not david vs goliath

[HeroBando]

What's worse is that the comparison completely neglects to mention the different factors at play between the two bouts. However, that was no accident. To admit that Manny had DLH come in 145 would be to admit that the two performances could not be compared in any legitimate fashion. The same goes for Cotto and Margarito as well.

No, it would be to admit to a lie. We already went over this, you were sent scurrying. And wouldn't you know it, 2 days later you're recycling the same lie in another thread.

[Priest Andretti]

so.....much.....uninformed.....stupidity.......... ...carry on

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb...iao2-2010feb02

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny," Roach says. "I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too good a fighter."


Carry on.

[junior gong]

Right gong. Training and diet required to lose the additional 2lbs when your body is already deprived doesn't affect power or stamina. I guess that why both real wrestling and boxing are making changes in how they monitor weight loss because of the negative effect on the body.

What the hell is this crap?

[hugh grant]

a solid reason as to why manny asked for the extra 2 lbs. I know its hard to come up with one, especially when throughout history the fighter that is the larger earner leverages that to get every advantage possible.

Im not sure what you are implying here? Pacs CW was silly of Pac that is all, but it wasnt an advantage even if Pac hoped it might be. An advantage would be if Pac asked Cotto to fight at 140.
Or and advantage is Floyd bloating JMM up to 137.

[SplitSecond]

lets all pretend going into the cotto fight a ton of people weren't goin on about how cotto would be too big and too strong, the first legit, full fledged welterweight pacquiao would have faced, see'ing as how oscar was clearly weight drained vs pacquiao noting the hoya fight was a HUGE risk and pacquiao wasn't so eager to stick his neck out again at a weight which he really doesn't yet know how he'd perform vs a proper welterweight

[junior gong]

No, it would be to admit to a lie. We already went over this, you were sent scurrying. And wouldn't you know it, 2 days later you're recycling the same lie in another thread.

He is a bell end, he does this 24/7. Its absolutely staggering, if you were to read all of his posts you would think he is desperate for Floyd to give him a job or one up the arse or something. He is fast becoming the worst floydiot on this entire forum, and its so bad that he regards Floyd's bronze medal as equivalent to being able to call himself Olympic champion. He was laughed out of numerous threads on that one alone before having to do an embarrasing climbdown. He hasnt learnt his lesson.

[The Big Dunn]

how about to lessen the fight night weight of cotto?
that's usually the purpose of catchweights, both guys meet halfway
one guy gains muscle mass that he's not completely comfortable with, the other guys loses some mass so when both get in the ring it's a little fairer and not david vs goliath

this would make sense if they were actually meeting halfway, which they were not. this fight wasn't a classic catchweight where the 147 lb champ fights for the 160lb belt at 155 or so. this was manny moving up to ww but making the champ fight at a lower weight.

[HeroBando]

Tony and Cotto. Oscar asked for it.

Let it be known these arent the only weight games he has played. Making fighters move up or down to face him. The Filipino Canelo.

Forcing Morales to fight at a lower weight. Imposing fines for not making weight.

Attempting to CW Cotto again this year.

The JMM CW at WW backfired on that ass. They thought Manny would have the edge.

Having Bradley come up to WW because he carried even less power.

Fighting Marquez AGAIN at an unnatural weight for Marquez.

Lining up Bam Bam Rios who just had his first fight at Jr WW for a fight at WW.

How many more weight conditions does it have to be for folks to realize its not just the catchweights?

GTFO hater, so now Pac is supposed to accommodate everyone. Morales looked like fat **** at 135, Pac better jump up cause Morales can't manage his weight. It's unfair for p4p Bradley to jump up to his 2nd division (having fought at 150+ in the amateurs), 7 division titlist Pac better drop down for this non draw.

As you said up there, Pac imposed catchweights on 2 fighters so far. So did JMM. How come I've never seen you take JMM to task for it? Here's a bunch a recent CW title fights that are worse than Pac Cotto on principle. How come you and your cohorts aren't crying weekly about these?

Mares Morel
Canelo Hatton
Ortiz Berto
PWill Martinez 2
Cotto Margarito
Kessler Green

[The Big Dunn]

Im not sure what you are implying here? Pacs CW was silly of Pac that is all, but it wasnt an advantage even if Pac hoped it might be. An advantage would be if Pac asked Cotto to fight at 140.
Or and advantage is Floyd bloating JMM up to 137.

of course it was. if manny didn't think there was an advantage, he wouldn't have made cotto fight at 145. And of course floyd and Manny (don't forget) making JMM move up in weight created additional advantages for them.