Mass shooting in California.

[krazyn8tive]

94 million? Do you understand that number? Many of them are the elderly, students, children, the handicapped, and housewives that don't want to work and choose to stay at home.

There are not 94 million people looking for jobs that don't have them.

http://apps.tcf.org/who-are-the-unemployed

You cannot just throw out a number like "94 million people" and think we can have a serious discussion.

I said 94 million are not in the workforce. I didn't decorate it with anything, you did that. Reporting 5 percent job growth of over 300 million potential workers is far different that 5 growth for 200 million. Most people don't understand because it does not get reported by mainstream media. The same corporate owned machine doesn't tell you these are part time positions either. What do part time positions lack? Benefits and a living wage. The truth just isn't in the numbers on a tv screen. People are too lazy to do their homework.

[Amazinger]

If you do not think that the risk of america being invaded is infinitisimal, you must be on some hard medication.

HA! Constantly keeping up with what's going on around us is my Hard medication. What's yours?.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I said 94 million are not in the workforce. I didn't decorate it with anything, you did that. Reporting 5 percent job growth of over 300 million potential workers is far different that 5 growth for 200 million. Most people don't understand because it does not get reported by mainstream media. The same corporate owned machine doesn't tell you these are part time positions either. What do part time positions lack? Benefits and a living wage. The truth just isn't in the numbers on a tv screen. People are too lazy to do their homework.

No, what you did was put up a talking point that steers in you into a false narrative. Saying 94 million people are out of work is not being fair to the argument.

Yes, I agree, we still need more work. Can you at least admit that the predictions from republicans has failed miserably? That unemployment isn't at 20%, that death panels and prison time for people wasn't a result of the AHCA. That gas prices didn't reach $6 per gallon?

So we are in a recovery, yes a slow one but we are on the way to one. All this by a socialist, communist, terrorist, muslim president.

[jaded]

F.B.I. Treating San Bernardino Attack as Terrorism Case

F.B.I. Treating San Bernardino Attack as Terrorism Case

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us...mic-state.html

WASHINGTON — The woman who, with her husband, killed 14 people in San Bernardino pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook post the day of the attack, officials said Friday, and the F.B.I. announced it was treating the massacre as an act of terrorism.

“The investigation so far has developed indications of radicalization by the killers, and of potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations,” the F.B.I. director, James Comey, said at a news conference here. But, he said: “so far we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized larger group, or form part of a cell. There’s no indication that they are part of a network.”

Tashfeen Malik’s declaration of allegiance to the Islamic State was posted on Facebook about 11 a.m. Wednesday, roughly the time of the shooting, according to people briefed on the investigation. At a news conference in San Bernardino, David Bowdich, the F.B.I. assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles office, said he was aware of the post, but would not say how much it influenced the decision to investigate the massacre as an act of terrorism, or what other information played a role in that shift.

“There’s a number of pieces of evidence which has essentially pushed us off the cliff to say we are considering this an act of terrorism,” he said.

Even as its counterterrorism unit was overseeing the investigation, the F.B.I. previously said that terrorism was just one possibility. With the decision to call this a terrorism case, the bureau took over the investigation into the deadliest terrorist assault on American soil since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. A 2009 rampage at the Fort Hood military base killed 13.

There is no evidence that the Islamic State directed Ms. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, to stage the attacks, law enforcement officials said. But the Facebook post has led investigators to believe that the couple, who were killed in a shootout with the police after the attack, took inspiration from the group, they said.

“At this point we believe they were more self-radicalized and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting,” one official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

The Islamic State has not released an official statement on the San Bernardino attack, but the Amaq News Agency, which intelligence officials believe is run by Islamic State supporters, released a statement claiming that the killings had been carried out by “supporters of the Islamic State,” according to a translation provided by the SITE Intelligence Group.

Islamic terrorists have used the oath of allegiance, called a bayat, to declare their loyalty to specific groups and leaders. To become a member of Al Qaeda, for instance, terrorists historically swore their devotion to Osama bin Laden.

Investigators are scouring the contents of computers, cellphones and other devices belonging to Ms. Malik and Mr. Farook, including items they attempted to destroy and files they tried to erase; investigators found two cellphones, which had been crushed, in a trash can near their home.

“We are going through a very large volume of electronic evidence,” Mr. Comey said. “This is electronic evidence that these killers tried to destroy and tried to conceal from us.”

That effort to erase the couple’s electronic footprints, and other evidence, like the 12 pipe bombs they had made and stored in their townhouse and garage, have led authorities to believe that the assault was premeditated.

Asked if the couple had been planning more attacks, Mr. Bowdich said, “it’s certainly a possibility we’re looking at.” He said the electronic devices might prove critical to revealing their motivations. “I truly believe that’s going to be the potential golden nuggets,” he said.

On Wednesday morning, law enforcement officials say, Mr. Farook and Ms. Malik walked into a conference center at Inland Regional Center, a social services center, and gunned down people at a combination training session and holiday lunch held by the county health department. Most of the victims were co-workers of Mr. Farook, who worked for the department as a health inspector.

The Facebook posting, which had been removed from the social media site, provides one of the first significant clues to the role that Ms. Malik, 27, played in the attacks.

She was born in Pakistan, and traveled on a Pakistani passport, but grew up in Saudi Arabia, according to Mustafa H. Kuko, director of the Islamic Center of Riverside, which Mr. Farook attended for a few years.

“They were living in Saudi Arabia, but they were Pakistanis,” he said. “They had been in Saudi Arabia for a long time. She grew up in the city of Jeddah.”

A person close to the Saudi government confirmed that Ms. Malik had spent time in Saudi Arabia over the years, staying with her father there, adding that Saudi intelligence agencies had no information that she had any ties to militant groups, and that she was not on any terrorism watch lists.

Ms. Malik returned to Pakistan for college, graduating in 2012 from Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan with a degree in pharmacy, according to local officials in the Layyah District of Punjab Province. They said that her family was originally from a town there, Karor Lal East, and that her father, Malik Gulzar Aulakh, moved with his family to Saudi Arabia about 20 years ago, later moving to the United States; American officials have not confirmed that. Officials in Layyah said intelligence officials visited on Friday and were looking for relatives of Ms. Malik.

Pakistani officials consider the area a center of support for extremist jihadist groups, including Lashkar-e-Taiba. Some of the most high-profile attacks against the Pakistani military in 2009 were led by a native of the same rural area: Umar Kundi, a medical doctor who became an operative for Al Qaeda. In addition, Multan, an ancient city in Punjab, is considered a hotbed of radicalism.

A Pakistani intelligence official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an continuing investigation, said security officials were looking into Ms. Malik’s time in Pakistan, as well as possible travel there by Mr. Farook.

In recent months, the F.B.I. has been particularly concerned that so-called homegrown extremists might be inspired by the Islamic State to stage attacks in the United States, law enforcement officials say. Even before the attacks in Paris last month, the agency had heavy surveillance on at least three dozen individuals who the authorities were concerned might commit violence in the group’s name.

The F.B.I. refocused its efforts on these individuals earlier this year in response to a shift in tactics by the Islamic State, law enforcement officials said. Instead of trying to persuade Americans to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State, the group began calling on its sympathizers and followers in the United States to commit acts of violence at home.

“We’ve especially focused on the portfolio of people we’re investigating for the potential of being homegrown violent extremists,” the F.B.I. director, Mr. Comey, said last month at a news conference. “That is, people consuming the propaganda. So those investigations are designed to figure out where are they on the spectrum from consuming to acting.”

“Within that group we’re trying to focus on those we think might be at the highest risk of being a copycat,” Mr. Comey said, referring to those who may try to follow the attackers in Paris. “And so we are pressing additional resources, additional focus against those. That’s the dozens.”

On Friday morning, the landlord of the building where Mr. Farook and Ms. Malik lived in Redlands, Calif., allowed journalists into the cramped townhouse near San Bernardino, which investigators had spent nearly two days scouring, leading to the rare sight of dozens of reporters and photographers trampling through what, the day before, had been a crime scene they were not even allowed to approach. Plywood was nailed over the openings where the police and F.B.I. had knocked out the doors and windows of the duplex townhouse, but the sheet of wood across the front entrance had been pried off to allow entry.

In an upstairs bedroom documents including driver’s licenses, credit cards and a Social Security card, all in the name of Mr. Farook’s mother, were strewn across a bed, while tabletops and other surfaces held more papers and books, including copies of the Quran. In the small living room, furniture shared space with a treadmill, a baby bouncer, rolled-up blankets and suitcases, and in the kitchen there was a sink full of dirty dishes and a refrigerator full of food, as if the occupants were expected back at any moment.

[flipbjefrox]

The family seems like they were in on it and covering up the the terrorism ties. Very dismissive in their press conference. They go in and out of the house, but they don't notice anything? WTF

[MDPopescu]

The family seems like they were in on it and covering up the the terrorism ties. Very dismissive in their press conference. They go in and out of the house, but they don't notice anything? WTF

That's precisely because "the vast majority of Muslims condamns terrorism" and therefore it doesn't have an eye for noticing any signs related to preparing of such acts.

[winky's right]

Reclaim australia forum? What in the **** are you even talking about you muppet? What does random racism have to do with anything here and why are you bringing up nonsensical racist accusations? Religious dogma and terrorist ideology isn't racial. Got it genius?

This is hilarious. The standard reply of the utterly ignorant. Blanket racist/bigot accusations.

no shit, Sherlock. point me as to where i even something even remotely along those lines. the reason i directed you to Reclaim Australia, since you're too stupid to realise, is because one of the main tenants (if not the main tenant) is their gross misrepresentation of Islam for bigoted ends (e.g. not supporting our 12,000 Syrian refugee intake). i never said, nor implied, nothing about race, cuntface.

All, as in all terrorists dip****, not all muslims. Everyone knows that out of the one and a half or so muslims, not all are terrorists. It's so obvious it doesn't even need to be mentioned. You're just pulling that out of your ass to feel righteous and use the tired old 'bigot' spiel.

But, as seems to be standard with your dullard type, you're missing the point entirely. Terrorists are insane in their own way, but they haven't flipped out for their own reasons. You have to be to kill people for an ideology. However, when millions of people have the view that all western people and western civilisation should be brought under sharia law and that infidels should be killed and there is a large amount of these people that all fight for the one single cause to kill people in the name of their religion, that differs vastly from individual people that kill people out of their own individual mental illness stemming from their own madness, not the madness of an ideology followed by over a billion people.

Tell me, how many of these crazy guys doing these shootings have had the backing of millions? How many of these crazy guys have been funded by others? How many have been trained for the specific purpose to cause death to western people? How many of these crazy guys have killed in the name of a religion that demands that non believers must be killed?

Understand? All of these crazy white guys aren't doing it in the name of the KKK or christianity. They don't all have the same goal and reason for killing. There isn't a massive group with the purpose of death, funded to kill western people in the name of their religion. They're just delusional, mental, ****wits that have gone bat**** crazy for any number of reasons.



Not only that, but tell me this; how many people have been killed in the name of 'random, crazy, white guy' ideology compared to the number of people killed in the name of islam over the last two decades? There's your answer frankly.

in the states, there are more casualties caused by those crazy white guys than Muslim killings. either way, both groups here would have similar rates of mental illness - like that Sydney siege gunman which i gave example of, but you conveniently ignored.

if you include terrorism in the middle east, then obviously there are more people killed, but as i point out below, this is more likely due to other factors than it is to Islam.

my original post was simply pointing out double standards when we use phrases like 'terrorism' as only applicable to Muslims. like the Sydney siege gunman, he was labeled a terrorist - yet had a history of mental illness. but when a white guy does it for the KKK (and even if he has no history of mental illness) he gets accepted as crazy. are you saying this double standard doesn't exist? it clearly does, ****.

Now, lastly...you said "to say that the religion 'sets out' to specifically do this is demonstrably false and only highlights how ignorant and bigoted you are". No, it is demonstrably true, accurate and entirely factual you ****ing stupid prick. This is the most absurd part of you bleeding heart, professionally offended, safe spacer, trigger warning twatish PC types. You try to be so politically correct you end up utterly blinded tripping over yourselves trying to defend the blatantly obvious.

It very specifically explains that, as a follower of islam, you should fight and kill unbelievers. It's not some hidden esoteric spiritual mumbo jumbo. It straight up says to take up arms and kill those who do not believe or who believe in different faiths. Please oh wise PCer, explain how that is not setting out to cause death and terror when it is a stated goal of their most holy text?

the Koran, much like the bible, is an extensive book full of contradictions. for example, the part you paraphrased where it calls to kill in the name of Allah is refuted with other parts of the Koran:

2:256 There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.
2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

so what of this 'stated goals' that you keep moaning on about? by 'stated goals' do you mean a single line in the Koran which gets contradicted on the very next page (such as the one you've mentioned)? obviously, by stated goals (as you put it) we shouldn't be looking at one-liners in a massive book. don't you think it's much more usual to define its stated goals by, for example, the Five Pillars instead? let's see what the Five Pillars say:

Al-Shahadah (Testimony)
Al-Salah (Prayer)
Al-Siyam (Fasting)
Al-Zakat (Almsgiving)
Al Hajj (The Pilgrimage)

i see nothing here resembling or advocating terrorism, and unlike your 'stated goals' (which is simply a blatant strawman) these do not get self-refuted a paragraph later. but of course you choose to favour defining a religion based on one-liners since you're a fucking bigot and a moron.

my point all along is that the rise of terrorism in the Middle East is not solely due to Islam, but rather a perfect storm of events including, most importantly Western occupation and it's terrible foreign policy which lead to Civil unrest (where before there was civil harmony), and the arming of jihadists.

as i said before, Islam is to be blamed insofar as it's a tool used to recruit and indoctrinate impressionable youngsters. but in terms of creation and goals of ISIS, Islam has a more symbolic than substantive influence - the socio-cultural conditions which surrounded the rise of ISIS are far more pertinent, but again, you're too stupid to realise this

[winky's right]

Urghhhhh...

Yes, but there are tens of thousand of people dying and being killed in the name of christianity anymore today. Got it? Once upon a time there was and it evolved, as much as any religion can evolve. It updated as the secular moral standards and values updated. Islam isn't doing that and is actively fighting against that and is it is actually doing the stuff that it says to do in the koran, which is not happening with christians and the old testament.

What do you not understand about this?

It's not all muslims. No one is saying that? Get it? No one is saying all muslims. Not a single person here. So drop it and stop bringing it up like a dumb **** because no one ever says that. There is a large number though that kill in the name if islam, following their religious ideology.

Do you understand now?

the problem is that you're contradicting yourself you obnoxious fuckwit. if you agree with my post that you quoted (and it seems you do): that the vast majority of Muslims today are against terrorism, but also hold the view that Islam today hasn't evolved since the Koran is written? it's quite obvious you can't have it both ways. from what you're saying is seems you're defining 'Islam' by what the minority of terrorists do, rather what the majority does (which you already concede aren't terrorists). your view is systematically incoherent, but that's to be expected by a Reclaim Australia supporting skinhead i guess.

and to go back on my previous point, the minority who are terrorists are so not solely (or largely) because of a few lines in the Koran, but rather the socio-cultural environment which they're raised in - which is largely to due to the West.

[Amazinger]

That's precisely because "the vast majority of Muslims condamns terrorism" and therefore it doesn't have an eye for noticing any signs related to preparing of such acts.

They all do! However their definition of terrorism and terror act is different from how the vast majority of the living world. They condemn U.S. U.K. Israel etc as "terrorist state" that VICTIMIZE their kind, thus they should reciprocate.

[Razor Ramon]

no shit, Sherlock. point me as to where i even something even remotely along those lines. the reason i directed you to Reclaim Australia, since you're too stupid to realise, is because one of the main tenants (if not the main tenant) is their gross misrepresentation of Islam for bigoted ends (e.g. not supporting our 12,000 Syrian refugee intake). i never said, nor implied, nothing about race, cuntface.


in the states, there are more casualties caused by those crazy white guys than Muslim killings. either way, both groups here would have similar rates of mental illness - like that Sydney siege gunman which i gave example of, but you conveniently ignored.

if you include terrorism in the middle east, then obviously there are more people killed, but as i point out below, this is more likely due to other factors than it is to Islam.

my original post was simply pointing out double standards when we use phrases like 'terrorism' as only applicable to Muslims. like the Sydney siege gunman, he was labeled a terrorist - yet had a history of mental illness. but when a white guy does it for the KKK (and even if he has no history of mental illness) he gets accepted as crazy. are you saying this double standard doesn't exist? it clearly does, ****.



the Koran, much like the bible, is an extensive book full of contradictions. for example, the part you paraphrased where it calls to kill in the name of Allah is refuted with other parts of the Koran:

2:256 There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.
2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

so what of this 'stated goals' that you keep moaning on about? by 'stated goals' do you mean a single line in the Koran which gets contradicted on the very next page (such as the one you've mentioned)? obviously, by stated goals (as you put it) we shouldn't be looking at one-liners in a massive book. don't you think it's much more usual to define its stated goals by, for example, the Five Pillars instead? let's see what the Five Pillars say:

Al-Shahadah (Testimony)
Al-Salah (Prayer)
Al-Siyam (Fasting)
Al-Zakat (Almsgiving)
Al Hajj (The Pilgrimage)

i see nothing here resembling or advocating terrorism, and unlike your 'stated goals' (which is simply a blatant strawman) these do not get self-refuted a paragraph later. but of course you choose to favour defining a religion based on one-liners since you're a fucking bigot and a moron.

my point all along is that the rise of terrorism in the Middle East is not solely due to Islam, but rather a perfect storm of events including, most importantly Western occupation and it's terrible foreign policy which lead to Civil unrest (where before there was civil harmony), and the arming of jihadists.

as i said before, Islam is to be blamed insofar as it's a tool used to recruit and indoctrinate impressionable youngsters. but in terms of creation and goals of ISIS, Islam has a more symbolic than substantive influence - the socio-cultural conditions which surrounded the rise of ISIS are far more pertinent, but again, you're too stupid to realise this

List 5 bombings or shootings for the KKK this year.