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  • Car bailout collapses in Senate due to union

    I hate unions they caused the collapse of the british car industry and looks like they may well cause the collapse of the American car industry.

    Auto bailout collapses in Senate
    A £9 billion emergency rescue plan for US carmakers has collapsed in the Senate after a union refused Republican demands for swift pay cuts.
    Senate majority leader Harry Reid said he was "terribly disappointed" about the demise of an emerging cross-party deal to rescue Big Three manufacturers General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. The deal was passed by the House of Representatives on Wednesday night.
    He spoke shortly after Republicans left a closed-door meeting where they balked at giving the carmakers government aid unless the United Auto Workers union agreed to slash wages next year to bring them into line with those of Japanese manufacturers.
    Republican senator George Voinovich, a strong bail-out supporter, said the UAW was willing to make the cuts - but not until 2011.
    Mr Reid was working to set a swift test vote on the measure early on Friday, but it was just a formality. The Bill was virtually certain to fail to reach the 60-vote threshold it would need to clear to advance.
    Mr Reid called the Bill's collapse "a loss for the country", adding: "I dread looking at Wall Street tomorrow. It's not going to be a pleasant sight."
    The implosion followed an unprecedented marathon set of talks in Washington among unions, the car industry and politicians who bargained in efforts to salvage the bailout at a time of soaring job losses and widespread economic turmoil.
    "In the midst of already deep and troubling economic times, we are about to add to that by walking away," said Senator Chris Dodd, the Banking Committee chairman who led negotiations on the package.
    Senator Bob Corker, the Republican leader in the talks, said the two sides had been tantalisingly close to a deal, but the UAW's refusal to agree wage concessions by a specific date in 2009 kept them apart.
    The car workers' contract does not expire until 2011.

  • #2
    America cars suck and their workers get paid too much money to make junk on wheels. Why is this a surprise to them that GM, Ford and Chrysler are going bankrupt?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SnoopySmurf View Post
      America cars suck and their workers get paid too much money to make junk on wheels. Why is this a surprise to them that GM, Ford and Chrysler are going bankrupt?
      Its not a surprise to me I just hate some unions, there greedy your better off with a pay cut than no pay at all.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SnoopySmurf View Post
        America cars suck and their workers get paid too much money to make junk on wheels. Why is this a surprise to them that GM, Ford and Chrysler are going bankrupt?
        Your wrong about that.

        The Gov giving 700 billion dollars of american taxpayers money, on bailouts to banking firms that are not even American owned, (where they dont even know where the money is going) is a mistake.

        Having to fight just to get 14 billion to 3 huge American auto makers is a joke inself. Let alone that is failed. These companys that supply around 10 millions good paying american jobs. At a time when the economy is getting worse and wrose, this is a huge mistake.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Darkstar View Post
          Your wrong about that.

          The Gov giving 700 billion dollars of american taxpayers money, on bailouts to banking firms that are not even American owned, (where they dont even know where the money is going) is a mistake.

          Having to fight just to get 14 billion to 3 huge American auto makers is a joke inself. Let alone that is failed. These companys that supply around 10 millions good paying american jobs. At a time when the economy is getting worse and wrose, this is a huge mistake.
          $14 billion will be gone in less than a year. The US car companies have been losing money by the billions. This will only delay it by a few months. They need to get rid of a lot of their car models, slim down their costs and ante up their quality. The factories are a joke. Honda can switch their production lines from SUVs to econo cars in 5 minutes and minimal cost. It takes GM 13 months to do that.

          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122211673953564349.html

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Darkstar View Post
            Having to fight just to get 14 billion to 3 huge American auto makers is a joke inself. Let alone that is failed. These companys that supply around 10 millions good paying american jobs. At a time when the economy is getting worse and wrose, this is a huge mistake.
            co-sing.

            And it's bull**** to blame the unions because they didn't agree to "swift pay cuts." Why the ****K didn't the rich bank CEO's that get $20 million christmas bonuses and **** get paycuts? **** that the workers don't deserve pay cuts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
              co-sing.

              And it's bull**** to blame the unions because they didn't agree to "swift pay cuts." Why the ****K didn't the rich bank CEO's that get $20 million christmas bonuses and **** get paycuts? **** that the workers don't deserve pay cuts.
              the bank CEOs aren't the auto CEOs, who DID agree to drastic pay cuts in their salaries.

              now that the union won't let the workers take their cuts then they get to lose their jobs. here's some simple math: if you made $35/hour and you had 2 choices- go down to $20/hour or $0/hour, what would you take?

              i don't think it's an issue of the unions being GREEDY. it's just that they're blindly standing behind the worker regardless of the outcome. in most cases, this is a good thing and i believe that the unions are one of the best organizations to ever hit the American workforce. but this doesn't seem to be the case here...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
                co-sing.

                And it's bull**** to blame the unions because they didn't agree to "swift pay cuts." Why the ****K didn't the rich bank CEO's that get $20 million christmas bonuses and **** get paycuts? **** that the workers don't deserve pay cuts.
                El stupido, $20 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the BILLIONS and BILLIONS that unions cost companies.

                If the unions don't accept cuts it is not possible to get any of these companies to turn a profit.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spare Moody View Post
                  the bank CEOs aren't the auto CEOs, who DID agree to drastic pay cuts in their salaries.

                  now that the union won't let the workers take their cuts then they get to lose their jobs. here's some simple math: if you made $35/hour and you had 2 choices- go down to $20/hour or $0/hour, what would you take?

                  i don't think it's an issue of the unions being GREEDY. it's just that they're blindly standing behind the worker regardless of the outcome. in most cases, this is a good thing and i believe that the unions are one of the best organizations to ever hit the American workforce. but this doesn't seem to be the case here...
                  The actual math looks more like this. The workers may get $35 an hour, but it costs the company around $120 an hour in benefits, pensions ect.

                  When you actually look at the numbers it is absolutely ridiculous. Some of these workers have benefits packages worth more than double their salaries.

                  The workers don't have to take a pay cut. That is not what is being asked for. They are simply asking for the union to make some concessions in terms of what they demand.

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                  • #10
                    FUCK these selfish Unions.

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