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  • #51
    Cotto didn't really want to fight Canelo anyway. That's why he & Penagaricano waited until ODLH's & Canelo's deadline to reject their offer. There's no report of a counter-offer, just a 'no'. Maybe Cotto thought Floyd was going to give him a rematch, so he could shine Canelo on.

    Cotto’s adviser: Canelo fight didn’t happen due to financial side January 17th, 2015 |

    By Dan Ambrose: If you wonder why the Saul “Canelo” Alvarez vs. Miguel Cotto fight negotiations broke down it’s because Cotto’s management weren’t happy with the financial side. In other words, the money wasn’t right for the fight.

    Canelo, 24, officially pulled out of the negotiations earlier today after Cotto and his adviser Gabby Penagaricano chose not to accept the offer made by Golden Boy Promotions. It’s unknown what the money split offer was by Golden Boy, but you can bet that it wasn’t far enough in Cotto’s direction for him to take the fight.

    It makes sense on Cotto’s part not to accept a deal that is too close to being 50-50, given that Cotto has done so much more with his career than Canelo right now. It’s just surprising that Cotto sat on the offer this long without kicking it back to Golden Boy with a number that they felt was more fitting.

    “It’s always the financial side. There was no agreement on that,” Penagaricano said to ESPN.com. “I don’t know what would have happened if we had more time. If Oscar doesn’t have more time, he doesn’t have more time.[B] It’s a great fight but Miguel doesn’t need it for his career. So if it doesn’t happen, so be it. He’s OK.”[/B]Canelo pulled out of the negotiations today after Cotto failed to meet one of Golden Boy’s deadlines that they accepted. The fact that Golden Boy/Canelo were setting deadlines for a fight as big as this and with a star as big as Cotto was perhaps not the smartest way to try and put a deal together.

    Canelo and Golden Boy needed to be more patient and come back with a number that was something that Cotto could either agree on or at least have something to continue negotiate with.
    “This is not about deadlines. This is about trying to making a deal,” Penagaricano said.

    That sounds like they weren’t feeling the deadlines that Golden Boy and Canelo were setting in the negotiations.
    Cotto and his adviser will now be looking at plans for finding an opponent to face. Cotto hasn’t fought since beating former WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez in June 2014. It’s been seven months right now, and obviously Cotto is going to need to get back in the ring soon if he doesn’t want to lose his edge with rust setting in.

    Additionally, he’s not going to be able to hold onto his WBC title forever if he doesn’t get back in the ring and start fighting again.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr could wind up being the guy that Cotto fights next if the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight doesn’t happen. Cotto would be getting a huge fight if he can get the Mayweather bout, because it’s a far better fight than the Canelo bout. It’s the perfect situation for Cotto.

    It’s also a great opportunity for Cotto’s trainer Freddie Roach to try and prove that he’s actually improved Cotto since he started training him. Roach has been doing a lot of bragging how Cotto is a better fighter under his watch, but thus far he hasn’t been able to prove this due to the condition of Cotto’s opposition.

    Sergio Martinez looked old and feeble in his fight against Cotto last year, and it seemed pretty clear that his surgically repaired knee wasn’t fully healed. Cotto’s other win under Roach was against Delvin Rodriguez, a fighter who’d been easily beaten by Austin Trout.

    http://www.************.com/2015/01/...inancial-side/
    Last edited by SUBZER0ED; 02-23-2015, 04:21 PM.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by sicko View Post
      Cotto has plenty of options: Bradley or Rios at a Catchweight or Lara

      Cotto can fight ME PR Day Weekend and sell out MSG

      As for Canelo, he has the Kirkland fight which is OK but not really a bout that has people talking. Canelo is in a awful position at 154 to be honest. Canelo needs Cotto a lot more than Oscar and Canelo Fans THINK!
      What's ok about it? Canelo is a rising star beginning his descent & Kirkland is a has-been that will never be! Cotto & Canelo did themselves a disservice by letting their negotiations fizzle out. It would have been a bigger draw than either of them will make on their own.
      Last edited by SUBZER0ED; 02-23-2015, 04:34 PM.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Gucci View Post
        I think the only one that is really assed out is cotto, This was Canelo and oscar plan the entire time was to move off the may 2nd date is pac vs may got made. Canelo can always fight cotto down the road and that fight will still be intresting. where as cotto is being looked at as a joke right now, he trying to fight blown up light weights instead of fighting a 160 fighter.
        ... Which happens to be the truth....................................

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Mr.Fantastic View Post
          Dunce hat for you.

          I mentioned Pac AND Floyd ONLY.


          It makes Canelo the one that doesn't want it if Cotto pays the step aside fee.

          Cotto rarely goes out of his comfort zone. Aside from Pac/Floyd, he traveled for Delvin fucking Rodriguez and Mayorga.
          duncehat smh.... that I said you mentioned canelo or that you implied it? Two different things...

          stop reaching... since 2008, he fought 4 times at the MGM, 2 times outside of NY and 6 times in NY

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          • #55
            Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
            Cotto didn't really want to fight Canelo anyway. That's why he & Penagaricano waited until ODLH's & Canelo's deadline to reject their offer. There's no report of a counter-offer, just a 'no'. Maybe Cotto thought Floyd was going to give him a rematch, so he could shine Canelo on.

            Cotto’s adviser: Canelo fight didn’t happen due to financial side January 17th, 2015 |

            By Dan Ambrose: If you wonder why the Saul “Canelo” Alvarez vs. Miguel Cotto fight negotiations broke down it’s because Cotto’s management weren’t happy with the financial side. In other words, the money wasn’t right for the fight.

            Canelo, 24, officially pulled out of the negotiations earlier today after Cotto and his adviser Gabby Penagaricano chose not to accept the offer made by Golden Boy Promotions. It’s unknown what the money split offer was by Golden Boy, but you can bet that it wasn’t far enough in Cotto’s direction for him to take the fight.

            It makes sense on Cotto’s part not to accept a deal that is too close to being 50-50, given that Cotto has done so much more with his career than Canelo right now. It’s just surprising that Cotto sat on the offer this long without kicking it back to Golden Boy with a number that they felt was more fitting.

            “It’s always the financial side. There was no agreement on that,” Penagaricano said to ESPN.com. “I don’t know what would have happened if we had more time. If Oscar doesn’t have more time, he doesn’t have more time.[B] It’s a great fight but Miguel doesn’t need it for his career. So if it doesn’t happen, so be it. He’s OK.”[/B]Canelo pulled out of the negotiations today after Cotto failed to meet one of Golden Boy’s deadlines that they accepted. The fact that Golden Boy/Canelo were setting deadlines for a fight as big as this and with a star as big as Cotto was perhaps not the smartest way to try and put a deal together.

            Canelo and Golden Boy needed to be more patient and come back with a number that was something that Cotto could either agree on or at least have something to continue negotiate with.
            “This is not about deadlines. This is about trying to making a deal,” Penagaricano said.

            That sounds like they weren’t feeling the deadlines that Golden Boy and Canelo were setting in the negotiations.
            Cotto and his adviser will now be looking at plans for finding an opponent to face. Cotto hasn’t fought since beating former WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez in June 2014. It’s been seven months right now, and obviously Cotto is going to need to get back in the ring soon if he doesn’t want to lose his edge with rust setting in.

            Additionally, he’s not going to be able to hold onto his WBC title forever if he doesn’t get back in the ring and start fighting again.

            Floyd Mayweather Jr could wind up being the guy that Cotto fights next if the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight doesn’t happen. Cotto would be getting a huge fight if he can get the Mayweather bout, because it’s a far better fight than the Canelo bout. It’s the perfect situation for Cotto.

            It’s also a great opportunity for Cotto’s trainer Freddie Roach to try and prove that he’s actually improved Cotto since he started training him. Roach has been doing a lot of bragging how Cotto is a better fighter under his watch, but thus far he hasn’t been able to prove this due to the condition of Cotto’s opposition.

            Sergio Martinez looked old and feeble in his fight against Cotto last year, and it seemed pretty clear that his surgically repaired knee wasn’t fully healed. Cotto’s other win under Roach was against Delvin Rodriguez, a fighter who’d been easily beaten by Austin Trout.

            http://www.************.com/2015/01/...inancial-side/

            There was no agreement on that,” Penagaricano said to ESPN.com. “I don’t know what would have happened if we had more time. If Oscar doesn’t have more time, he doesn’t have more time."

            The fact that Golden Boy/Canelo were setting deadlines for a fight as big as this and with a star as big as Cotto was perhaps not the smartest way to try and put a deal together.

            parts that you missed out in bolding.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by bigjavi973 View Post
              duncehat smh.... that I said you mentioned canelo or that you implied it? Two different things...

              stop reaching... since 2008, he fought 4 times at the MGM, 2 times outside of NY and 6 times in NY

              And like I said May/Pac don't count since anyone would travel for them in a heartbeat. So that's 2 and the other two, Margarito(which I give props for Cotto) and Mayorga(lmao!). Those two times are Orlando and NJ(which is practically the same as fighting in NY).

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              • #57
                Originally posted by bigjavi973 View Post
                There was no agreement on that,” Penagaricano said to ESPN.com. “I don’t know what would have happened if we had more time. If Oscar doesn’t have more time, he doesn’t have more time."

                The fact that Golden Boy/Canelo were setting deadlines for a fight as big as this and with a star as big as Cotto was perhaps not the smartest way to try and put a deal together.

                parts that you missed out in bolding.
                Nah, I bolded what supports my argument that Cotto & Penagaricano didn't really want, or maybe more accurately, didn't care if the fight got made. Both sides agreed to the deadline, according to the author, but Cotto's side waited until the deadline to reject Canelo's offer. If they really wanted the fight, why not throw a counter out there before the deadline? Or if they didn't like the idea of a deadline, why not bring that up in the first place?

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
                    What's ok about it? Canelo is a rising star beginning his descent & Kirkland is a has-been that will never be! Cotto & Canelo did themselves a disservice by letting their negotiations fizzle out. It would have been a bigger draw than either of them will make on their own.
                    I'm not making any excuse for that match up, I would rather see him vs Cotto of course but that did not work out so what else is he suppose to do. No Question Kirkland was PICKED because of his style. After that Lara fight they need Canelo to look good for his next fight.

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                    • #60
                      I Blame De La Hoya. He should known better. It was good chance he was losing that May 2nd date but he and his vendetta against Mayweather (Still butt hurt over that loss almost 8 years ago now)

                      He wasn't thinking about a real plan B. And what if Canelo loses.

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