Israeli ground forces enter Gaza

[takingaim]

Bout time we just all sit back, and let them duke it out. Somebody's god will fail them, who will it be?

You raise a great point, and I've been thinking about this recently.

Muslims will always say 'insha'allah' (god willing/if god allows it), so whatever happens, it was god's will (it was meant to be, because god allowed it to happen). So the question then is - why does Israel exist in the first place? It must be the will of god, right? In 1967 when Jordan, Egypt, Iraq & Syria attempted to destroy Israel, they lost terribly, in complete humiliation. So this must've been what god wanted...

When you think about it, it doesn't make any sense for Muslims to be angry about anything (this can apply to other religious groups too, such as Christians), because whatever happens in life, god allowed it to happen (based on their own beliefs).

[~AK49~]

You raise a great point, and I've been thinking about this recently.

Muslims will always say 'insha'allah' (god willing/if god allows it), so whatever happens, it was god's will (it was meant to be, because god allowed it to happen). So the question then is - why does Israel exist in the first place? It must be the will of god, right? In 1967 when Jordan, Egypt, Iraq & Syria attempted to destroy Israel, they lost terribly, in complete humiliation. So this must've been what god wanted...

When you think about it, it doesn't make any sense for Muslims to be angry about anything (this can apply to other religious groups too, such as Christians), because whatever happens in life, god allowed it to happen (based on their own beliefs).

Lol, damn, never thought that that way

[hayZ]

You raise a great point, and I've been thinking about this recently.

Muslims will always say 'insha'allah' (god willing/if god allows it), so whatever happens, it was god's will (it was meant to be, because god allowed it to happen). So the question then is - why does Israel exist in the first place? It must be the will of god, right? In 1967 when Jordan, Egypt, Iraq & Syria attempted to destroy Israel, they lost terribly, in complete humiliation. So this must've been what god wanted...

When you think about it, it doesn't make any sense for Muslims to be angry about anything (this can apply to other religious groups too, such as Christians), because whatever happens in life, god allowed it to happen (based on their own beliefs).

Muslims are also taught to be proactive, not just sit and pray but go out be active and make things happen. The Arabs turned on the Turks and allowed the Brits to take control of Palestine, which eventually let to the clusterf later on. One army which is well organised, better armed, know the terrain better and more disciplined vs a number of armies who are not as organised and disciplined or armed as well. If the Arabs didn't betray the Turks initially maybe Palestine wouldn't have been the Brits to give away in a Balfour Declaration when BY FAR the Palestinians outnumbered and owned far more land yet they were expected to accept a deal ridiculously worse and unfair.

Going by your logic of how Muslims think then they should just sit on their ass all day, if they die they die, god willed it, whatever happens, happens. Please get a better understanding of Islam before you start spouting nonsense. The word 'Inshallah' has blessing in terms of reward, do you think Muslims would have had multiple empires across different continents, made so much contributions towards Science/Maths/Theology etc if they just sat down all day and said Inshallah? You have to be proactive and if you said that to any knowledgeable Muslim, they would chew you out verbally for speaking such nonsense.

Hamas offered Israel a 10 year truce which ON PAPER seems fair, I don't know if any of you guys have read it. Israel also claimed to offer Hamas a ceasefire but who did they talk to? Not the Palestinians, they spoke to Egypt who are already on bad terms with Hamas because they believe they were in cahoots with the Muslim brotherhood back when it was kicking off in Egypt.

[~AK49~]

^And if they fight....and get their ass kicked (see news), then what?

1. Their god failed them?
2. God doesn't exist?
3. God doesn't want them to have the holy land right now, so they can actually stfu for a bit?

[Sweet Pea 50]

^And if they fight....and get their ass kicked (see news), then what?

1. Their god failed them?
2. God doesn't exist?
3. God doesn't want them to have the holy land right now, so they can actually stfu for a bit?

Pretty hard for imaginary figures to stop Hellfire missiles.

[~AK49~]

Pretty hard for imaginary figures to stop Hellfire missiles.

Israels God is doing a pretty good job....

[takingaim]

Muslims are also taught to be proactive, not just sit and pray but go out be active and make things happen.

And how is that making a difference, if Israel continues to exist? It must be god's will.

I'd say the war in 67 when Jordan, Egypt, Syria & Iraq attempted to destroy Israel was pretty "proactive". But they still lost.

The Arabs turned on the Turks and allowed the Brits to take control of Palestine, which eventually let to the clusterf later on. One army which is well organised, better armed, know the terrain better and more disciplined vs a number of armies who are not as organised and disciplined or armed as well. If the Arabs didn't betray the Turks initially maybe Palestine wouldn't have been the Brits to give away in a Balfour Declaration when BY FAR the Palestinians outnumbered and owned far more land yet they were expected to accept a deal ridiculously worse and unfair.

Look, whichever way you choose to look at it, it is god's will that Israel was created, and it's god's will that Israel continues to exist. This simply cannot be argued against, because it is Muslims who always say 'insha'allah', or does that only count when something good happens?

Going by your logic of how Muslims think then they should just sit on their ass all day, if they die they die, god willed it, whatever happens, happens.

No, what that would mean is that the god Muslims believe in... *nudge nudge*... doesn't exist. Did you ever think of that? Praying, saying 'insha'allah', chanting 'TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!'... none of it matters, because your belief in this all-powerful deity that is constantly watching & protecting you is equal to a belief in the tooth fairy. Or at least, this god doesn't give a **** about Muslims.

Please get a better understanding of Islam before you start spouting nonsense. The word 'Inshallah' has blessing in terms of reward, do you think Muslims would have had multiple empires across different continents, made so much contributions towards Science/Maths/Theology etc if they just sat down all day and said Inshallah? You have to be proactive and if you said that to any knowledgeable Muslim, they would chew you out verbally for speaking such nonsense.

Ah okay, so it DOES only count ('insha'allah') when it's good.

You haven't actually proved me wrong, you've just attempted to shift the goal posts, as religious people always do. Now 'insha'allah' only applies when Muslims wish for something good, and when they receive that special something, well that's god blessing them... but when it's something bad that happens to Muslims, I guess it's just 'ah, god works in mysterious ways'.

And as for the Empire argument - well, plenty of non-Muslims have had empires. Look at 1258 when Baghdad fell to the godless Mongol hordes. An estimated 1 million Muslims were slaughtered in just under two weeks. It was only centuries later that Baghdad recovered from this.

And people who happened to be Muslim never made contributions towards science & mathematics because of Islam. Notice how those contributions could only be made after Muslims conquered the lands of the Levant, Egypt, Spain, Persia & India? When they conquered the Levant, they surely came across ancient knowledge from the Mesopotamian civilizations; in Spain they surely came across ancient knowledge from the Roman Empire etc etc. Do you think these contributions would've been made if Muslims had just stayed in the desert of the Arabian peninsula (Saudi Arabia)? Exactly.

Islam had nothing to do with those contributions, because if that was the case, wonderful contributions would be made by Muslims today (and for the last 800 years), especially considering there's more Muslims alive today than during the mythical 'golden age of Islam'.

Religion dulls the mind and destroys creativity. If Islam was responsible for scientific & mathematical advancements, then surely the countries which follow Islam more seriously would be the ones making the greatest contributions. Clearly, that's very far from the reality. lol

I'll leave you with a quote from a great 10th century Syrian philosopher, Al-Ma'arri - "The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."

[Canelo Phresh]

http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...717-story.html

There are two sides to this dispute and Im not digging the conservative spin.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Man, this thing is just ugly.

[Canelo Phresh]

She won't have a job tomorrow.

What I was thinking.