Did Floyd use epitestosterone cream on 24/7? USADA clearly biased in favour of Floyd

[ADP02]

I think people don't understand a lot of **** about working out on the level elite athletes work out on. You don't gotta do a lot of looking into dehydration to see that its some easy **** to get & get diagnosed with on the elite athlete who works out like Mayweather does. If you do just a little looking into this you will see that there can even be a gradual lean towards dehydration over time. It doesn't have to be one "insane workout". Floyd runs alot. Dehydration is common in people who do a lot of endurance work. I think Floyd's workouts are endurance workouts compared to most boxers. I see guys training who'll spend 15mins messing around while going from one station to the next. Floyd workouts are extremely fluid & active straight thru.

And mainly with this, believing dehydration or not doesn't change the fact IV's don't give you magic superpowers & if you are being tested before its usage, as Floyd was & keeps being ignored or denied by those without reading capabilities, its a extremely ineffective masking agent.

*drops mic on this topic* cuz its yawn inducing at this point rehashing the same topics people don't seem capable of grasping (ie even if you think the dehydration situation is sketchy it doesn't change the facts we have about how things went down or make your worse assumptions true, if other things come to light in the future that changes how things could've went down fair enough, but you can't act like 1+1 = 7 just cuz its Mayweather & not come off like a guy not making huge jumps in assumptions with the known facts)

Look Panda, you are talking to someone that knows about workouts and endurance. There is a difference between requiring fluids because you had a good or intense workout and someone needing medical assistance that requires an IV.

Remember that this IV happened after the weigh in.

Can we agree to the following? Right?
- By then there are no longer any intense workouts.
- Even before then, workouts have tapered off substantially.
- Floyd had not given blood in 10 days.
- Giving urine does not dehydrate you.
- Floyd can and admitted to making 147 EASILY.
- Floyd is a very experienced gym rat.


So taking all of the above into account, then there would be no reason to get an IV after the weigh in. NONE!

Ask yourself this. Why get an IV then and not when the above points that I listed above actually did occur?

[Vadrigar.]

[travestyny]

Hmm. T/E ratio = .69 and .8


How about .29, .35, and .19?

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal,"
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada...013131428.html

What's got your panties in a knot recently? Is this about Pacquiao losing? Stop bumping these old threads just because your boy lost.

[ruedboy]

Do you administer IV in your house to prevent organ failure?

Floyd took the IV to save his life! Now I understand. lol

[ruedboy]

So what do you define as extreme dehydration for Floyd. He was walking around at about 151. He weighed in at 146.

I'm using medical definitions here. You are trying to apply your own definitions.

You just don't have the answers, and you're attempting to twist things to suit your agenda.

And yes I agree if Floyd was suffering from extreme dehydration it would have been impossible for him to fight the next day. Hence, he was not suffering from extreme dehydration and as such violated WADA rules by taking an IV for re-hydration purposes.

Thank you for proving my case.

According to Hauser, Floyd was 148 two weeks before the fight.

[ruedboy]

I think people don't understand a lot of **** about working out on the level elite athletes work out on. You don't gotta do a lot of looking into dehydration to see that its some easy **** to get & get diagnosed with on the elite athlete who works out like Mayweather does. If you do just a little looking into this you will see that there can even be a gradual lean towards dehydration over time. It doesn't have to be one "insane workout". Floyd runs alot. Dehydration is common in people who do a lot of endurance work. I think Floyd's workouts are endurance workouts compared to most boxers. I see guys training who'll spend 15mins messing around while going from one station to the next. Floyd workouts are extremely fluid & active straight thru.

And mainly with this, believing dehydration or not doesn't change the fact IV's don't give you magic superpowers & if you are being tested before its usage, as Floyd was & keeps being ignored or denied by those without reading capabilities, its a extremely ineffective masking agent.

*drops mic on this topic* cuz its yawn inducing at this point rehashing the same topics people don't seem capable of grasping (ie even if you think the dehydration situation is sketchy it doesn't change the facts we have about how things went down or make your worse assumptions true, if other things come to light in the future that changes how things could've went down fair enough, but you can't act like 1+1 = 7 just cuz its Mayweather & not come off like a guy not making huge jumps in assumptions with the known facts)

The reason the topic comes up is because most people are a bit more skeptical than you are. The "facts" that we have all come from USADA or Mayweather.
The NSAC refused to investigate because they accept Floyd's version.
So with unanswered questions we're left with a vacuum and people will fill it with speculation. Some fans are interested in getting answers (unlike the boxing establishment, who want to get on with the real work of selling their product).

[Robbie Barrett]

The reason the topic comes up is because most people are a bit more skeptical than you are. The "facts" that we have all come from USADA or Mayweather.
The NSAC refused to investigate because they accept Floyd's version.
So with unanswered questions we're left with a vacuum and people will fill it with speculation. Some fans are interested in getting answers (unlike the boxing establishment, who want to get on with the real work of selling their product).

NSAC refused to investigate because it's not illegal to have saline IV's under their rules.

Mayweather followed the rules of USADA and WADA and an independent panel of doctors approved the TUE. These medical professionals examined the evidence and found Mayweather did nothing wrong. I'll take their opinion over people that know nothing.

[pasawayako]

FloIV didn't pick USADA without giving floyd the benefits.

[Vadrigar.]

Floyd had TE ratios well below 1 while having free testosterone at the high end of normal, well beyond normal for a man his age. High end of "normal", normal as generously defined for an athlete in their 20s not late 30s, free testosterone. BTW excessive training of boxing should lower free testosterone not raise it. WADA doesn't have a low limit for TE ratios so there is no normal. TE ratios well below 1 are abnormal. Its either a sign of a major endocrine issue or the masking of testosterone.

There is only one explanation for two tests showing high end of normal free testosterone and a T/E ratio well below 1. The use of exogenous epitestosterone to mask the use of exogenous testosterone. Short of a major endocrine problem that would preclude Mayweather from being a professional fighter there is no other explanation for the results of those drug tests.

There are a few medical conditions that can cause a low T/E ratio. But those conditions also cause low testosterone. Floyds tests showed high end of normal free testosterone. To my knowledge there is no natural condition that can cause both high end of normal testosterone and even higher epitestosterone. If Floyd had a real medical condition that caused a low T/E ratio he could never be a professional fighter. People who have such conditions are fat and lethargic.

[pasawayako]