Carlos Monzon or Pernel Whitaker who was greater?

[JAB5239]

I have Whitaker #3 at Lightweight and Monzon around #10 at Middleweight.

Poet

Monzon at 10? Who do you rank ahead of him my friend?

[StarshipTrooper]

Monzon at 10? Who do you rank ahead of him my friend?

He was rated at 9 but someone convinced me that Langford was more properly rated at Middleweight then at Welter so it dropped Monzon a slot:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Marvin Hagler
05. Stanley Ketchel
06. Bernard Hopkins
07. Charley Burley
08. Harry Greb
09. Jake LaMotta
10. Carlos Monzon

There have been a ton of legitimate ATG Middleweights over the years: Along with Welter it's easily the deepest division historically in boxing. That's a LOT of great fighters competing for those top-10 spots.

Poet

[Obama]

He was rated at 9 but someone convinced me that Langford was more properly rated at Middleweight then at Welter so it dropped Monzon a slot:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Marvin Hagler
05. Stanley Ketchel
06. Bernard Hopkins
07. Charley Burley
08. Harry Greb
09. Jake LaMotta
10. Carlos Monzon

There have been a ton of legitimate ATG Middleweights over the years: Along with Welter it's easily the deepest division historically in boxing. That's a LOT of great fighters competing for those top-10 spots.

Poet

I'm curious as to why Greb is so low.

Anyways I easily rate Whitaker over Monzon p4p. Monzon's title run came at the right time. Other than Rodrigo Valdez everyone else he fought was either too small, too washed up, or simply not that good to begin with (like Bennie Briscoe, who prolly deserved to beat Monzon the first time around). In some cases 2 of the 3 applied.

Whitaker's competition was far more difficult. It's not remotely close.