Dana WHITE: "Bob ARUM Is A Jealous Moron!...A Greedy Pig!"

[deanrw]

I still think Dana was dumb though for adjusting his card so it would not compete directly with a PPV. He could have sent a big message. People will always prefer to be entertained for free over having to pay $50, especially if the fight is not the fight people care to see.

[Brother Jay]

Bama,

Do you think the Pacqueers even realize how bad they're being bilked?

Come November 12, I'm gonna be passing out links like party favours.

Wrong question Gino.

The correct question is "Do Pacqueers even care that they're being bilked?

It doesn't take detective work to see what you're suggesting. I believe that they simply don't care. Its the most notoriety that a Pinoy has had since Imelda Marcos, and they are loving it.

The world stage is more addictive than meth. Its even worse when people are living vicariously through someone else's accomplishments. When an entire people feel hopeless, any amount of recognition ... even for just one countryman ... is like an IV to the jugular.

My money is that they don't care if they are being taken advantage of. They don't care if Pacquiao is cheating. They don't care if they are racist. They don't care if Arum is stealing Pacquiao's money.

They only care about how long someone that looks like them will be on television, magazines and the internet doing something that other people praise him for. That's all.

I can guarantee that if Pacquiao threw Jinki off a cliff, his fans would say that she probably deserved it. As it is he's already committed adultery against her and they have not even blinked.

Fanaticism knows no bounds. Its knows no limits. Anything goes in the world of a fanatic.

[Gino Ros]

I still think Dana was dumb though for adjusting his card so it would not compete directly with a PPV. He could have sent a big message. People will always prefer to be entertained for free over having to pay $50, especially if the fight is not the fight people care to see.

Agreed.

I do not believe the casual fan would feel the need to go spend $60 for a boxing match after watching two hours of free combat sports.

[QADASHBANYAH]

k man school here
im not that tech savy so I dont understand why someone would stream a fight and watch it on a computer
the screen is small the resooution sucks doesnt it
all that just so you dont fork out 50 bucks?

Well if your computer has HDMI OUTLET, AND YOU HAVE A HDTV, YOU CAN CONNECT YOUR TOWER (DESKTOP) TO IT. I have my home theatre setup as well as windows media connect running through my home for music movies and web surfing.....

[QADASHBANYAH]

well, I refuse to reward Arum and Pac for their BS ppv. When you spend your money on an inferior product, that is a signal to the provider that, um, you are willing to pay for an inferior product.

Pass one of them there links to me my man.....I WILL DEFINITELY WANT ONE... NOT PAYING FOR THAT ****....

[QADASHBANYAH]

Here's the difference:

UFC cares about the show that it gives the fans. Because the money is coming from THE FANS.

Boxing promoters don't care about the show, or the fans. Because the money is coming from THE NETWORK.

Take Amir Khan's last big fight in Vegas. He made 2x as much in his purse as he brought in at the gate.

Remove Mayweather and pacquiao from the equation...THEN compare how boxing and MMA are doing.

They dont get it bro..... They simply do not understand.... The mere fact that ARUM is even talking about them shows they are a threat....

DANA IS RIGHT, THE MONEY FROM HIS MODEL IS USED TO INVEST IN HIS COMPANYS PROFITABLITY.

He pays bonuses if they put on a crowd pleasing fight which in turns guarantees more pay per views or the same existing pay per view buys the next go around.
Which puts a fire under the said fighters ass to perform better. I have been watching UFC FROM THE VERY FIRST 1 AND I can honestly state they are growing like a motha!!!

Back then they were fighting in a tournament for like 60-100k, they make that easy now.... (UFC 1 ROYCE GRACIE WOULD FIGHT LIKE 3-4 FIGHTS IN X1 NIGHT TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.

Plus keep in mid the key to their success is the best fight the best.....regardless....

I mean the number 1 and number 2 heavyweights will be fighting each other this year in the sport of MMA.... Fighters with belts are not blacklisted in MMA. James Toney cant even get a fight right now....This is what Boxing does.


The best welterweights in the world manny and floyd have not fought yet.

This has happened many times over in the UFC. Pierre will fight the best in his division.

These are shows for the fans. Shane Carwin was knocking mofos out left and right, so brock had to fight him, it didnt take years to get this done.

Arum and many other promoters are hurting boxing... In the UFC champions are not built up. Fighters fight, you earn that belt. As a matter of fact I will go as far as saying the belts in mma are worth more than boxing on a sportsmanship level.

Manny fought for a title in a division 154, he nor the opponent fought in for the title (they didnt even weigh in at the weight of the damn division).Morales is now fighting for a belt even though he just came off a loss. belts are created in boxing, the "diamond belt".

There is no difference fight fans want to see action.. But in every sport there are purists. I WAS MORE OF WATCHING A SICK FLYING TRIANGLE THAN A KNOCK OUT.Just as in boxing I would rather see Floyd fight than manny. I LIKE SKILL.

But every now and again you see MMA FIGHT CARDS BEING TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED ON THIS VERY BOXING SITE.

***************S SISTER SITE IS MMASOCIALIST.

Last month JON JONES WAS ON THE COVER OF USA TODAY.. Keep in mind 10 years ago, certain states wouldnt even let them fight, the list is actually growing right now in supportive states.

MMA IS USING BOXINGS BLUEPRINT, AND DOING WHAT BOXING SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DOING. IN THE UFC IF A FIGHTER LOSES, THATS NOT THE END OF HIS CAREER, BUT IT CAN BE IN BOXING EASILY. RAMPAGED WAS KNOCKED SILLY BY WANDERLEI SILVA X2, SHOGUN BROKE HIS RIBS, ETC. But hes still got a good fanbase and makes good money.

Ortiz quit and people basically call him a bum, even though he came back and gave a spectacular performance. In MMA fightesr quit or get knocked out. Tapping out is quitting...


As you stated there is simply x1 PIE. Its not getting bigger, fans are simply shifting over to MMA. And that shift means people are losing interest in boxing. The NFL makes money and lots of it. They sell out stadiums and play on the emotions of where you live... MY CITY AGAINST YOUR CITY...

MMA AND BOXING ARE DIRECTLY COMPETING BECAUSE THEY BOTH ARE SET UP WITH FIGHTERS....

Boxing really needs to be humbled. I rarely watch MMA anymore, I guess I grew out of it I dont know, but I recognize that brand is growing and growing huge!!! Go to any sports store and you will see UFC PARAPHENELIA ALL OVER. This didnt exist 10 years ago. so the brand must be growing, hell they are now partners with FOX!!!!

[QADASHBANYAH]

Wrong question Gino.

The correct question is "Do Pacqueers even care that they're being bilked?

It doesn't take detective work to see what you're suggesting. I believe that they simply don't care. Its the most notoriety that a Pinoy has had since Imelda Marcos, and they are loving it.

The world stage is more addictive than meth. Its even worse when people are living vicariously through someone else's accomplishments. When an entire people feel hopeless, any amount of recognition ... even for just one countryman ... is like an IV to the jugular.

My money is that they don't care if they are being taken advantage of. They don't care if Pacquiao is cheating. They don't care if they are racist. They don't care if Arum is stealing Pacquiao's money.

They only care about how long someone that looks like them will be on television, magazines and the internet doing something that other people praise him for. That's all.

I can guarantee that if Pacquiao threw Jinki off a cliff, his fans would say that she probably deserved it. As it is he's already committed adultery against her and they have not even blinked.

Fanaticism knows no bounds. Its knows no limits. Anything goes in the world of a fanatic.

Damn I still have to spread around before I can give ya more K!!!!!

[Battle*Hardened]

Here's the difference:

UFC cares about the show that it gives the fans. Because the money is coming from THE FANS.

Boxing promoters don't care about the show, or the fans. Because the money is coming from THE NETWORK.

Take Amir Khan's last big fight in Vegas. He made 2x as much in his purse as he brought in at the gate.

Remove Mayweather and pacquiao from the equation...THEN compare how boxing and MMA are doing.

Then someone else would take there spot smart one.

Boxing's model, and UFC's model are nothing alike. The UFC runs FNF type events for free, everything else is PPV, and the Ppv success is primarily from the hype of UFC, not the actual fighter/s. Boxing is ran based on one fighter.. The success of an event is almost always based on that one fighter. Unless you are popular on a huge huge level(which no UFC star is) then you probably won't be on PPV in boxing. You will be on premium cable.

[fathergll]

^^^^


Dana White and the Fertitas take home alot larger slice of the money from their PPV events than Arum does from his PPV events.

And they should. UFC takes all the risk. They handle all the marketing, tv production...etc. Arum needs to find someone like HBO or Showtime to partner up with and then builds an event around one fight whereas UFC sets up dates way in advance and fills it it. Completely different models

They do consistently good numbers, yet have they ever paid any one of their fighters 25 million dollars for a fight? Have they paid any one of their fighters 3 million even?

25 million a fight? No they haven't ....

3 Million a fight? Pretty close. ESPN reported Lesnar made roughly 2.75 million a fight in 2010. Top fighters aren't making chump change despite what half the people on these forums believe. If owning a Ferrari and million dollar homes is chump change then im sure the majority of us are hurting REAL bad.

Their contract structure is set up so they can kick fighters out of the UFC if they lose a fight or two, because it harms their market potential. Basically slave contracts. The UFC is only concerned with their profit margin.

Look at it this way. If it wasn't for the UFC's marketing then how much money would these guys be making? UFC brought this sport up to the point where guys have Gatorade sponserships and they can make a million or two with a PPV. While the UFC may seem like they use cold tactics, its that business practice that has even allowed the sport to grow this fast. Also don't forget they have insurance for all 350 fighters and have paid guys salaries when fights get cancelled last minute. For the UFC 122 co-main event, Jorge Rivera and Alessio Sakara both received pay for the fight, even Sakara got his show money because he cancelled because of having the flu.

They buy out and kill their competition like they did Pride, and will soon do to Strikeforce. If Arum's a greedy pig, they're the fattest ****ing pigs on the farm.

Thats business man. They need fighters...what the **** do you expect them to do? Sit around while other promotions eat up the talent? They need more fighters as they are going global and have a FOX deal. At least the UFC is directly responsible for growing the sport. What the **** is Arum doing?

[Gino Ros]

Then someone else would take there spot smart one.

Boxing's model, and UFC's model are nothing alike. The UFC runs FNF type events for free, everything else is PPV, and the Ppv success is primarily from the hype of UFC, not the actual fighter/s. Boxing is ran based on one fighter.. The success of an event is almost always based on that one fighter. Unless you are popular on a huge huge level(which no UFC star is) then you probably won't be on PPV in boxing. You will be on premium cable.

You are repeating facts that I long ago posted.