Winning and Losing a fight - what does it really indicate?

[F!x]

Manny Pacquiao fought Juan Manuel Marquez 4 times - while Marquez didn't officially win any of the first three close fights, he knocked out Pacquiao in the fourth fight.

Paul Williams lost to Carlos Quintana in the first fight by decision, he knocked him out early in the rematch.

Mike Alvarado got knocked out by Brandon Rios in their initial bout but he beat him by decision in the rematch.

Seth Mitchell was knocked out by Johnathan Banks the first time they fought, beat him by decision in fight number two..

And so on.. So what does winning and losing really mean in boxing? How accurate a gauge is it in terms of the boxers skill level, aptitude and potential, or is luck/chance/circumstances major factors which shouldn't be overlooked?

[Pocket Dogs!]

You win lose, you lose some. Unfortunately, for some athletes winning is everything (i.e. Michael Jordan) to the point that they're sociopaths.

[PAC-BOY]

Thats Boxing !
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[Aztekkas]

A loss can break a fighter in today's climate. Why? Because the fans aren't willing to forgive a "loss" on a resume. Truth of the matter is that losses are essential to most fighters, they are a guide and indicator on what must be improved. If a fighter realizes this he will always come back stronger. Its silly because some fans seem to forget this sport is boxing... a sport where no matter how good you are a single punch can dictate an outcome so easily.

[Vasyl’s dad]

A loss can break a fighter in today's climate. Why? Because the fans aren't willing to forgive a "loss" on a resume. Truth of the matter is that losses are essential to most fighters, they are a guide and indicator on what must be improved. If a fighter realizes this he will always come back stronger. Its silly because some fans seem to forget this sport is boxing... a sport where no matter how good you are a single punch can dictate an outcome so easily.

Says who? Floyd stans? I can't wait to see Abner Mares fight again. There is a huge difference between boxing fans, and those who just started watching the sport. I remember when Tyson was KOd. I couldn't believe it. There was no way anyone could beat Mike Tyson. But as sure as the sun rose up on Sunday morning, there it was in the papers. Tyson not only lost, but was KOd. If those fans can't accept that someone always loses, they aren't here for the sporting aspect, they are here just to say they were a part of history. Oddly enough, the fighters who ended up undefeated, have the biggest question marks around their careers vs the guys who lost.

[FeFist]

Says who? Floyd stans? I can't wait to see Abner Mares fight again. There is a huge difference between boxing fans, and those who just started watching the sport. I remember when Tyson was KOd. I couldn't believe it. There was no way anyone could beat Mike Tyson. But as sure as the sun rose up on Sunday morning, there it was in the papers. Tyson not only lost, but was KOd. If those fans can't accept that someone always loses, they aren't here for the sporting aspect, they are here just to say they were a part of history. Oddly enough, the fighters who ended up undefeated, have the biggest question marks around their careers vs the guys who lost.

No **** they have a bigger question mark than the guys who lose. When someone loses by decision or gets knocked the **** out, it is easy for people to say ''That's their limitation, that's their weakness''. When a fighter is undefeated it is not immediately clear what style would topple them, as there is no point of reference- you can only say ''Well he struggled more in that bout'' or ''Maybe if he fought someone who was extremely good at this particular style''.

Anyway what does winning and losing a fight indicate? It really depends on the match up. For instance the clinic Rigondeaux put on Donaire indicated that one fighter wasn't in another's league, whilst the Rios v Alvarado fights indicate that they are close in terms of overall ability.

[PAC-BOY]

No **** they have a bigger question mark than the guys who lose. When someone loses by decision or gets knocked the **** out, it is easy for people to say ''That's their limitation, that's their weakness''. When a fighter is undefeated it is not immediately clear what style would topple them, as there is no point of reference- you can only say ''Well he struggled more in that bout'' or ''Maybe if he fought someone who was extremely good at this particular style''.

Anyway what does winning and losing a fight indicate? It really depends on the match up. For instance the clinic Rigondeaux put on Donaire indicated that one fighter wasn't in another's league, whilst the Rios v Alvarado fights indicate that they are close in terms of overall ability.

So in order to define what winning and losing indicates....It depends on the match up! :AYWOoD: Good one. Yeah got it. Thanks for clearing that up!

Wow!

[LoadedWraps]

Manny Pacquiao fought Juan Manuel Marquez 4 times - while Marquez didn't officially win any of the first three close fights, he knocked out Pacquiao in the fourth fight.

Paul Williams lost to Carlos Quintana in the first fight by decision, he knocked him out early in the rematch.

Mike Alvarado got knocked out by Brandon Rios in their initial bout but he beat him by decision in the rematch.

Seth Mitchell was knocked out by Johnathan Banks the first time they fought, beat him by decision in fight number two..

And so on.. So what does winning and losing really mean in boxing? How accurate a gauge is it in terms of the boxers skill level, aptitude and potential, or is luck/chance/circumstances major factors which shouldn't be overlooked?

winning vs losing alone means nothing. Binary thinking. Context is everything. /thread.

[Curtiz]

Life & Death

But with the pain of death comes a sense of relief & this transcends a fighter to greater platforms of performance in battle.

[InSaiyan]

Its all in the context really.