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  • #51
    Originally posted by Hype job View Post



    But how does reducing the power of government offer any solution to exorbitant power held by the few?
    Less regulations and infractions allows your average joe to start up a business and hire people a lot easier then if he had to go through hundreds of legal proceedings. America runs on small businesses, its crucial for the establishment of the middle class.

    Look no further than say a company like Uber and Lyft. By all means they are taxi services, but they would never be able to get off the ground and become as popular as they are today if they had to go through the same ridiculous hoops and regulations that Taxi companies do. And one of the reasons they aren't going through the same problems today is because they are now a powerful corporations that is worth billions upon billions and therefore can influence government on what sort of regulation or non regulation to pass.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Enayze View Post
      Less regulations and infractions allows your average joe to start up a business and hire people a lot easier then if he had to go through hundreds of legal proceedings. America runs on small businesses, its crucial for the establishment of the middle class.

      Look no further than say a company like Uber and Lyft. By all means they are taxi services, but they would never be able to get off the ground and become as popular as they are today if they had to go through the same ridiculous hoops and regulations that Taxi companies do. And one of the reasons they aren't going through the same problems today is because they are now a powerful corporations that is worth billions upon billions and therefore can influence government on what sort of regulation or non regulation to pass.
      These corporations will still hold that power in a deregulated economy, how would deregulation curtail price fixing, and selling certain products at a loss because it is worth the cost of putting small business competitors out of business?

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Hitman Hodgson View Post
        I'm not saying one or the other is bad. I'm saying you can't have one without the other. So, if you want smaller government you have to break up the corporations, or at the very least end corporate welfare, which isn't going to happen in the current paradigm. You're also not going to reduce the influence of big business in politics unless you reduce the size of he government, or at the very least reform campaign/political finance.
        Absolute nonsense. Who's going to break up multi-billion dollar corporations lmfao, the influence of big business in politics or anywhere else for that matter won't just evaporate because you've limited the size of government

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        • #54
          Since then, about 50 U.S. jurisdictions have adopted ordinances recognizing Uber and Lyft as a new type of transit provider called “transportation network companies.” Each government, whether municipal or state, goes through its own process to craft rules, but in the end, officials generally codify the insurance coverage, background-check policies, and inspection protocols Uber already has in place. Uber makes the rules; cities fall in line. There are some small differences between their regulations, but, as Plouffe says, “the core is remarkably similar.”

          The success, says Justin Kintz, Uber’s head of public policy for North America, is “a tale as old as time—it’s the power of the people.” It’s also a tale about the power of backroom lobbying. Although Uber promotes itself as a great disrupter, it’s quickly mastered the old art of political influence. Over the past year, Uber built one of the largest and most successful lobbying forces in the country, with a presence in almost every statehouse. It has 250 lobbyists and 29 lobbying firms registered in capitols around the nation, at least a third more than Wal-Mart Stores. That doesn’t count municipal lobbyists. In Portland, the 28th-largest city in the U.S., 10 people would ultimately register to lobby on Uber’s behalf. They’d become a constant force in City Hall. City officials say they’d never seen anything on this scale.


          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/featur...es-over-a-city


          Uber slipped through the cracks under the "ride sharing" loophole, and now has grown to be worth billions.
          The Irony is that Uber gets to now pay big money to politicians in order to exist as a business, because of the regulations that would've crushed it otherwise. At 40 billion it is now a powerhouse, but the bottom line is it shouldn't have to be spending millions of dollars to even exist.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Hype job View Post
            These corporations will still hold that power in a deregulated economy, how would deregulation curtail price fixing, and selling certain products at a loss because it is worth the cost of putting small business competitors out of business?
            Uber is putting Taxi cab companies out of business all over the world with its lower prices, do you believe we should curtail the price that uber offers for transportation so the taxis can still exist?

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Enayze View Post
              Uber is putting Taxi cab companies out of business all over the world with its lower prices, do you believe we should curtail the price that uber offers for transportation so the taxis can still exist?
              Do you? ......................

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Hype job View Post
                Absolute nonsense. Who's going to break up multi-billion dollar corporations lmfao, the influence of big business in politics or anywhere else for that matter won't just evaporate because you've limited the size of government
                You say that as if it's never happened in the history of American politics. Hell, even Sanders wants to break up the banks.

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                • #58
                  I'd like the size of the federal government and our military to go back to Bill Clinton levels, or what today's Democrat would call some sort of Anarchist/NeoCon hybrid. The truth is we will never have Utopia, whether the fed gov controls everything, or controls nothing. Whether we put a freeze on immigration, or open our borders completely. Whether you have a one party state controlled by Dems, like California. Or one controlled by Republicans, like Texas. Whether you raise minimum wage to 50 bucks an hour, or eliminate it completely.

                  One thing most Americans can agree on is that we're headed in the wrong direction and have been for some time under administrations controlled by both major parties. Judging by the 2 choices coming in November, that direction is unlikely to change for the better.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by deadlikeme View Post
                    national socialist
                    communist!

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Hype job View Post
                      Do you? ......................
                      What do you think Carl.

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