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  • is conditioning really that important??

    if you are able to do all the gym work + sparring at a solid pace

    without having to do your runs and ground work...

    does it really matter??

    can a fighter just put in their gym work, bag,pads, shadowboxing, skipping etc

  • #2
    If you want I can find you a link, where Emmanuel Stewart (coach of Tommy Hearn, Lennox Luis, Klitchko, kronx gym) confirms that James Toney conditioned himself to many fights just by doing sparring and hit speed bag. He did not like to run, work on heavy bag (he calls such guys "bag hitter, ain't fighter") , do calisthenics, etc. 300 rounds of sparring before the fight with Holifield. This is it.

    Well, I guess, if you are just a beginner, you need to some joints, knuckles, wrists exercises, also stretching is very usefull. For the rest speed bag and double end bag, shadow boxing for the technique and A LOT of sparring.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GAME2010 View Post
      if you are able to do all the gym work + sparring at a solid pace

      without having to do your runs and ground work...

      does it really matter??

      can a fighter just put in their gym work, bag,pads, shadowboxing, skipping etc
      You should have asked is (roadwork) really important because the rest is still conditioning.

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      • #4
        yes, it is very important unless you are george foreman but even then you might need to go more than 8 rounds once a while.

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        • #5
          depends how importantly you take boxing. If you wanna be good, yeah you have to put in the hours of road work. If you just wanna hit stuff, go ahead and do that but you wont get as far

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          • #6
            Most of the guys that didn't do roadwork, ie Foreman, Duran and Toney, only did so much later in their careers. In their earlier careers they certainly did roadwork (well, I know for certain that Duran was put through brutal roadwork and conditioning routines with Fredie Brown and that it wasn't until they left that he stopped most of it).

            However, there is one massive factor to take into account. The only reason these guys were able to still go the full distance without dying was because of amazing relaxation and experience. No young fighter ever could do what they did.

            It's a lazy way out of very important work. If you don't do it, it's just because you're lazy and wanting to cut corners. It will definitely show up.

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            • #7
              Conditioning is extremely important, i dont care what anyone says.

              If you're taking boxing seriously or trying to go amateur or even pro, then conditioning is needed, especially when you have to assume your opponent is working twice as hard as you. How do expect to last more than 4 rounds against someone who is faster, stronger, and lasts longer than you. It doesnt matter if you can punch hard, once you are winded, forget about it. You wont even be anle to snap your jab without any conviction because you will be so tired, forcing you to go on the defensive and pretty much buying time until yoir demise.

              Make sure you run, always think about being the hardest worker you can be, dont cheat yourself by skimping out on conditioning.

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              • #8
                A fighter CAN possibly get in shape from just sparring, mitt work, etc.

                But the problem is most boxers don't always get to push their bodies to the fullest every sparring or mitt session. Some days you isolate certain skills, and you work your brain more than you work your body when you're trying to figure something out in sparring or in other boxing-specific workouts. Maybe you're trying a new combination on the bag. Maybe you're working on defense in sparring and aren't throwing as many punches.

                That's why you have to do extra conditioning training, just to make sure you're body is being challenged at a high level consistently regardless of what you do in the ring that day.

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                • #9
                  Conditioning is the winning factor for many fights. Having that advantage over your opponent is important because he will fade over the rounds and you can lift the pace to where he won't be adequetely keeping up to win the rounds.

                  if toney only got ready for fights by sparring (unlikely) no wonder he's brain damaged fool

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BennyST View Post
                    Most of the guys that didn't do roadwork, ie Foreman, Duran and Toney, only did so much later in their careers. In their earlier careers they certainly did roadwork (well, I know for certain that Duran was put through brutal roadwork and conditioning routines with Fredie Brown and that it wasn't until they left that he stopped most of it).

                    However, there is one massive factor to take into account. The only reason these guys were able to still go the full distance without dying was because of amazing relaxation and experience. No young fighter ever could do what they did.

                    It's a lazy way out of very important work. If you don't do it, it's just because you're lazy and wanting to cut corners. It will definitely show up.
                    Do you know the routines Duran was put through by Freddy Brown?

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