Originally posted by No Ceilings
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Marquez Is Comfortable With 144; Pacquiao Is 145
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did i see "*******s"????
wtf is wrong with some people. manny is up there with the greatest fighters in history - EASILY! floyd is his btch and has been. he knows it. if floyd wants to be a man, he will fight pac. if not - enough goddamned discussion already.
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Originally posted by pacfan View Postweight has nothing to do with both fights. it's the styes of these fighters that made the difference.
in general, boxers prefer to counter than move forward. jmm is a counterpuncher. so is floyd. marquez was forced to fight like pac in the floyd fight. he was the aggressor and floyd will never fight like that.
in contrast, pac is willing to come forward simply because nobody else will. the fight will be boring as hell. and you know pac. he resents it when the figth is being booed. floyd don't give a crap. so pac does it at his own peril.
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boxing is slow right now! the only people pac has with names are either old, coming off suspensions, or damaged! not his fault. he gives us entertainment!.
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Originally posted by No Ceilings View PostYeah and Oscar was in the best shape of his life vs. Pac.
His words, not mine.
JMM knows he will only get the fight at 144 because Pac is a cherry picker.
Oscar was the one who cherry picked Pac. boxing experts went so far as to call it a circus, with Pac assumed to be the one slaughtered.
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Originally posted by EngorgedW/Blood View PostBulking up/lowering down to 135 for the scales, then adding 9lbs of water weight is what Marquez is comfortable with.
Bulking up to 144lbs for the scale is a whole different story.
assuming he'd weigh around 144 at fight night and pac would weight about 148 or 149, that would be about 5 lbs weight difference between them.
is that an overwheming advantage? is that weight disparity so great that it warrants being called a crap fight?
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Just did a little
Digging and not my best as I couldn't be ****ed to find what Pacquiao was in ring vs Oscar, Clottey, or Mosley (first WW fight, first 147 pound limit, and last fight - a good range of his true size.) but know he was never very big. I know Manny was 148 in-ring against Antonio Margarito for a 150 pound fight. I found that Marquez was 146 in the ring against Mayweather and 145 in his last fight against Michael Katsidis.
This tells me that both Pacquiao and Marquez are roughly the same size; walking around as Welterweights or maybe a little more for Pacquiao. I can guarantee that there will be less than a five pound "real weight" difference inside the ring.
The only reason why you can't call walking around weight a natural weight is because everybody goes down to weight classes much lower than walking around weight. Yuriorkis Gamboa could be a Lightweight and just as good as he is now... except he'd he'd be fighting guys that are Welterweights and Junior Middleweights. Brandon Rios can make 135 but he will weigh 156 pounds during the fight. There's a large difference in a Brandon Rios VS Yuriorkis Gamboa fight and a fight between two guys that walk around, weigh in, and fight at roughly the same size as Pacquiao and Marquez will.
Let's add that Marquez will be tuning up between fights at 140 or higher. For the sake of the argument every little bit helps.
If Pacquiao beats Marquez, or even (somewhat expectedly) demolishes Marquez at Welterweight then that isn't because he's a fraud or a cherry picker. It's because he's a better fighter at Welterweight and just simply a better fighter because he can be better at Welterweight.
This isn't Marquez moving up to fight at a weight higher than he has come into the ring as or fighting a guy that will simply "check in" to the weight class. It's pure spin doctoring to say the fight is a "farce". I think it's almost a tipping of the hand that people feel Manny should HAVE to move down weight classes to "even" the fight up as if it's not fair that Manny is as skilled as he is. It's like saying if Floyd was a real man he'd fight blindfolded to even his fights up or that Wlad should tie his left hand to his back to make things a little more square. Ridiculous.
PS: Especially with people obligating Floyd and Manny to have to move up to 160 pounds or at least meet a 160 pounder for an aforementioned "weight class check in and check out" fight at "154" pounds with Sergio Martinez despite the fact they'd be fighting as Junior Middles VS a Super Middle in ring. Somehow this is more fair than Marquez and Pacquiao.
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Originally posted by EngorgedW/Blood View PostBulking up/lowering down to 135 for the scales, then adding 9lbs of water weight is what Marquez is comfortable with.
Bulking up to 144lbs for the scale is a whole different story.
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Originally posted by Reloaded View PostWill they claim the victory above what it really is because of the weight ?
Thats the issue with Pac , its like set up the win and claim the biggest of victory its just a false deal , just fight JMM in a even fight , WTF does Pac need to CW him for to the point it will handicap him .
145 for Cotto , 144 for JMM ,,,, come on its bull**** !
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